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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: idiotek]
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idiotek said:
ya'll both just a couple of coconut headed racist pigs.



I'll have you know that my head has a lovely shape


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
idiotek said:
ya'll both just a couple of coconut headed racist pigs.



I'll have you know that my head has a lovely shape


Your ears and whiskers are also very pretty


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
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i was obviously making a racist reference to black people because their skin tone matches that of a coconut, but in reality, coconuts are more like greenish beige or something when they drop out of trees, but that's irrelevant.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said:
The only missing persons I saw on the news tonight were black for what it's worth. It was a missing 2 year old boy in the CinCinnati area.



we get more blacks and hispanics on the amber alerts here in georgia than
whites, nearly every one is a paternal abduction


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
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Prisoner#1 said:
we get more blacks and hispanics on the amber alerts here in georgia than
whites, nearly every one is a paternal abduction


Does that mean at least some black fathers want to spend time with their kids?

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Burke Dennings]
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Pris just accidentally supported the notion that black fathers might actually have greater intentions than he originally might have argued.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: idiotek]
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That's what I got from his post too. LOL

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Burke Dennings]
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Or maybe he's just saying black guys like to steal shit.

:notsureif:

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Burke Dennings] * 1
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I like when mods can blatantly be racist at each other and stuff but then some poor dumb fuck gets banned for calling someone a "coconut head," LOL.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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this isnt about the article, it's about your lack of concern for those
that arent black. that's right, the other 66% of the people that go
missing every year, 400,000 people become missing persons that you dont
give a shit about but that single demographic is of great concern and we
should do something about that... that's racism



Prisoner, this is all twisted up. I do care about all missing persons, but the article is about the disproportionate number of black women who go missing. Based on this article I made this post.

Why did I make a post about it?

The pub is absolutely flooded with posts that cast black people in a negative light, and with posters insisting that they are inherently bad people.

To counteract this flow of negative energy of anti black vilification I offer another voice, an issue that disproportionately affects the black community, and one that seeks to effect empathy. Empathy that is very much needed in The Pub because the place is a cesspool of anti-black sentiments.

I offer counterbalance.

That's not racism. I'm not saying all those black women fall prey to evil white men. That would be nonsense and that WOULD be racism. I simply offer an issue as experienced by the black community, and I got that article and taken part in a discussion on the matter in fact IN a predominantly black community. And it is much more civil racially than the Pub is, even with the whole Ferguson matter and their influx of racist white trolls. I must say, as an admin of the Shroomery, they are embarrassingly more civil racially than The Pub.

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saying that we're all racists regardless of how much we would love to
deny it, every last one of us are racists


I don't think theres many people out there who are truly free from racial prejudice and racist sentiments. I sure as hell am not one of those people, I certainly have my biases and prejudices.

I have a moderate positive bias towards black people and am fairly neutral towards white people. Most people here have a positive bias to white people and a negative bias towards black people.  In contrast, that seems a huge difference.

I have a moderate positive bias to black people and by contrast, less so towards white people. But I have nothing against white people per se. I don't think they are untrustworth, unpleasant, unintelligent, ugly, criminal people as a race, nor am I on guard around them, sentiments a whole bunch of people here have against black people.

So I stand neutral towards white people, as negative bias is absent. That is not racist, and having a positive bias to some but no negative bias to others also isnt racist.

You are racist when you dismiss people of a racial group because of their race. When you feel a negative pull when confronted with them.

This thread was not made to call attention to all missing persons, though I wish all of them well, but to specifically counteract the negative anti black bias that permeates the Pub and which to me as a member and an admin is quite unpleasant and embarrassing fact. Not just does it make me feel personally sick to my stomach but I also see it as detrimental for the direction the shroomery will take in the future.

A website attracts the people it appeals to, and when the biggest forum we have is a frickin Jerry Springer Show where it comes to racism and full of trolling and shittalking and with "tits or GTFO" for female members, that does not bode well for the future members attracted to this place.

I counterbalance. Moderate by offering an opinion contrasting the one that is derailing the forum. In doing that I sometimes too convey a charicature of my personal opinion, but it's for the greater good of the forum.


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Burke Dennings]
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Burke Dennings said:
Prisoner#1 said:
we get more blacks and hispanics on the amber alerts here in georgia than
whites, nearly every one is a paternal abduction


Does that mean at least some black fathers want to spend time with their kids?


I know a few baby mommas, in some cases these fathers are doing the kids a great service


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: idiotek] * 1
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idiotek said:
ya'll both just a couple of coconut headed racist pigs.


Careful. Coconut head has been deemed a banable offense.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20490660


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante] * 1
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Asante said:
I offer counterbalance.


Except what you offer is off-balance.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante] * 1
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Asante said:
Prisoner, this is all twisted up. I do care about all missing persons, but the article is about the disproportionate number of black women who go missing. Based on this article I made this post.



96% are runaways, we arent addressing the problem

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Why did I make a post about it?

The pub is absolutely flooded with posts that cast black people in a negative light, and with posters insisting that they are inherently bad people.


and you think this thread isnt one that does the exact same thing, why do
so many black children and women decide that running away is their only
option. I have a damned good idea as to why because I've heard many
stories from girls that took off at 12-15 years old

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To counteract this flow of negative energy of anti black vilification I offer another voice, an issue that disproportionately affects the black community, and one that seeks to effect empathy. Empathy that is very much needed in The Pub because the place is a cesspool of anti-black sentiments.



you're looking at the effect without addressing the cause, this equates to
more anti black vilification whether you choose to believe it or not

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I offer counterbalance.


no, you in fact do not, you just add to the problem


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That's not racism. I'm not saying all those black women fall prey to evil white men. That would be nonsense and that WOULD be racism. I simply offer an issue as experienced by the black community



and your experience in the black community here in the states is what
exactly? that there are 200,000 black runaways each year and that a mere
8000 are never located. isnt pushing a false statistic the same as all the
other race baiters are doing? how is this any different, claiming that
nearly 70,000 black women are missing without any background on this, any
different than the people saying that blacks are unfairly incarcerated,
both are steeped heavily in the 'black sympathy' form of racism, something
you seem to promote quite a bit... so that 'mildly racist' thing, no, it's
still racist and every last one of us are guilty


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You are racist when you dismiss people of a racial group because of their race. When you feel a negative pull when confronted with them.



really? and you cherry picked the black missing persons, dismissing the
whites, hispanics, american indians, asian, etc... and choose to tell us
that you're only a little racist


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
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I have a moderate positive bias towards black people and am fairly neutral towards white people. Most people here have a positive bias to white people and a negative bias towards black people.  In contrast, that seems a huge difference.

I have a moderate positive bias to black people and by contrast, less so towards white people. But I have nothing against white people per se. I don't think they are untrustworth, unpleasant, unintelligent, ugly, criminal people as a race, nor am I on guard around them, sentiments a whole bunch of people here have against black people.

So I stand neutral towards white people, as negative bias is absent. That is not racist, and having a positive bias to some but no negative bias to others also isnt racist.

You are racist when you dismiss people of a racial group because of their race. When you feel a negative pull when confronted with them.
...


I can relate to a lot of the sentiment you're expressing.

However, some of the statements you made reflect confusion and difficulties I experience in terms of my own upbringing and broader experiences with racism; would you mind if I asked you for some input or to elucidate further?

First off, in the portion I italicized, you make mention about how you don't associate certain negative traits with white people.
I find I don't associate those listed traits with white people; however, I do often find myself viewing discussions with an anti-white bias, where I feel white people are somehow more inclined towards being racist, or are less racially sensitive and more in need of understanding of the impacts racism has.
Is that a negative racial stereotype towards whites that I hold?  The idea that they are more racist simply because they are white.
How should I counter balance that tendency in order to be more positive in my interactions with people in a general sense?  How do I foster understanding when I myself am coming from a negative point of view with the presumption that whites specifically don't understand?

If I see someone make a statement such as "Natives cause so much crime in this city" I feel them to be racist and I feel put off by that sentiment.
If I see someone make a statement such as "Whites are so discriminatory to other races" I feel like I just kind of view it as a statement of fact, rather than a racially discriminatory statement in itself.
What is the key to overcoming my own prejudice in that regard?

In the portion of your text that I bolded, you mention having a positive bias but no negative bias.
I was brought up with the perception that elevating my view of one race above that of others is still a form of racism, but it does not feel like racism.
Where does the line get drawn on racism?  Is it enough to try to cultivate a sentiment that does not hold negative views of certain races, or is it more important to endeavour towards viewing all races as totally equal?  Is that even really a viewpoint that I as a person can expect to be able to cultivate, or is trying to treat everyone equally only going to result in biased treatment due to a diversity of backgrounds and experiences?

I'd value any insights you have.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
A website attracts the people it appeals to, and when the biggest forum we have is a frickin Jerry Springer Show where it comes to racism and full of trolling and shittalking and with "tits or GTFO" for female members, that does not bode well for the future members attracted to this place.



"Everything is all right exactly the way it is"

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Anahata]
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Anahata said:
It's a image of the times. People make money and fame from this. I find this interesting that it's tolerated.


That album is more than twenty years old.

Ice-T has since moved to the side of "Law & Order."

That kind of gangsta rap sucked, but I think Sally Jesse Raphael and Geraldo already covered the topic to death.

And if you're going to go down that road you might want to take on some violence-glorifying metal albums for fairness' sake.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Tantrika] * 1
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SweetLeafSamadhi said:
In the portion of your text that I bolded, you mention having a positive bias but no negative bias.
I was brought up with the perception that elevating my view of one race above that of others is still a form of racism, but it does not feel like racism.
Where does the line get drawn on racism?  Is it enough to try to cultivate a sentiment that does not hold negative views of certain races, or is it more important to endeavour towards viewing all races as totally equal?  Is that even really a viewpoint that I as a person can expect to be able to cultivate, or is trying to treat everyone equally only going to result in biased treatment due to a diversity of backgrounds and experiences?

I'd value any insights you have.


All you really need to know is this:
rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism

    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
        prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
        "a program to combat racism"

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Do you feel blacks are superior to whites? If you answered no, you are not racist.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said:
All you really need to know is this:
rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism

    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
        prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
        "a program to combat racism"

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Do you feel blacks are superior to whites? If you answered no, you are not racist.


false dichotomy


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Well then you should complain to Merriam-Webster for fibbing about what racism is :shrug:

You could change the Wikipedia definition right now in fact:
"Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently."

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