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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said:
I blame Asante :mad2:


This all started when Wiccan_seecer converted to Manichaeism and in the process took on the new name of Asante. It's like he's a totally different person now! I say, DOWN WITH THE PROPHET MANI! :rabble:


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
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People act like the gnostics are such an enlightened breed of super Christians, but if they're so fucking clever how come the only work of art they ever produced was that awful Thomas the Tank Engine game on the SNES?


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: moonsphere]
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moonsphere said:
Look at the crime by race; white people commit more violent crimes, yet are incarcerated at a much lower rate than black people.


Do they commit more violent crimes per capita? Comparing total crimes for each group against the incarceration rates would not be a meaningful comparison. You would either compare crimes against incarcerations or crime rates against incarceration rates.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: EllisDSox]
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http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

"Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery."

"Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa"

"Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites"

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: qman]
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Sounds like these "whites" you speak of have it coming. Where do they live? I'm gonna go round there and sort them out once and for all.


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: EllisDSox]
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EllisDSox said:
Sounds like these "whites" you speak of have it coming. Where do they live? I'm gonna go round there and sort them out once and for all.


It's perfectly justified, the blacks had a lower social-economic environment than their victims, this has all been figured out, nothing to see here.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: qman]
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qman said:
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

"Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery."

"Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa"

"Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites"


https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0325.pdf

Those numbers are based on population. It's an invalid argument because it only takes the number of the population into account. African Americans make up 13% of the population, that's where the "8 times more likely" comes from, simply because of the numbers. When you look at the ACTUAL numbers of violent crime, you will see that a higher number of crimes are committed by white people rather than black people. Black people are just incarcerated at a higher rate than white people.

It's a clever argument to someone who doesn't investigate how they gathered those statistics.


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: moonsphere]
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moonsphere said:
qman said:
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

"Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery."

"Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa"

"Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites"


https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0325.pdf

Those numbers are based on population. It's an invalid argument because it only takes the number of the population into account. African Americans make up 13% of the population, that's where the "8 times more likely" comes from, simply because of the numbers. When you look at the ACTUAL numbers of violent crime, you will see that a higher number of crimes are committed by white people rather than black people. Black people are just incarcerated at a higher rate than white people.

It's a clever argument to someone who doesn't investigate how they gathered those statistics.


I'm not sure what your trying to say, on a RELATIVE BASIS, blacks commit a massive amount of crime than other races, therefore are incarcerated at a higher rate than other races.

More crime on a RELATIVE BASIS = more incarceration on a RELATIVE BASIS.

Of course whites commit more actual crimes than blacks. they are 5.5 times more of them than blacks, that's not the debate. :facepalm:

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: qman]
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qman said:
moonsphere said:
qman said:
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

"Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery."

"Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa"

"Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites"


https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0325.pdf

Those numbers are based on population. It's an invalid argument because it only takes the number of the population into account. African Americans make up 13% of the population, that's where the "8 times more likely" comes from, simply because of the numbers. When you look at the ACTUAL numbers of violent crime, you will see that a higher number of crimes are committed by white people rather than black people. Black people are just incarcerated at a higher rate than white people.

It's a clever argument to someone who doesn't investigate how they gathered those statistics.


I'm not sure what your trying to say, on a RELATIVE BASIS, blacks commit a massive amount of crime than other races, therefore are incarcerated at a higher rate than other races.

More crime on a RELATIVE BASIS = more incarceration on a RELATIVE BASIS.

Of course whites commit more actual crimes than blacks. they are 5.5 times more of them than blacks, that's not the debate. :facepalm:


Blacks get policed far more heavily than whites and receive far harsher penalties from the court system.


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: moonsphere]
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moonsphere said:
qman said:
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

"Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery."

"Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa"

"Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites"


https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0325.pdf

Those numbers are based on population. It's an invalid argument because it only takes the number of the population into account. African Americans make up 13% of the population, that's where the "8 times more likely" comes from, simply because of the numbers. When you look at the ACTUAL numbers of violent crime, you will see that a higher number of crimes are committed by white people rather than black people. Black people are just incarcerated at a higher rate than white people.

It's a clever argument to someone who doesn't investigate how they gathered those statistics.


You're making an invalid argument by comparing total crimes against incarceration rates. Let's say right-handed people make up 90% of the population and commit 90% of the crimes, and have an identical rate of incarceration to left handed people. You could make the statement that right-handed people commit 9 times as many crimes as left-handed people but are incarcerated at the same rate and it would be true, but framing the comparison in that way tells you very little (while pointing the inattentive reader to an inaccurate conclusion). If instead you say that right and left handed people have the same crime rate and the same incarceration rate, you're making a far more meaningful comparison.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: moonsphere]
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moonsphere said:
Disagreeing with something doesn't make it false. Unless you can provide facts, saying "false" doesn't really mean anything.



you're right, disagreeing with something dosnt make it false but making up or repeating a story about a why something is the way it is doesnt make it truth, a statistic doesnt mean you're getting the whole truth either

you cite the black incarceration rate but claimed that blacks committed
fewer crimes, that's inherently false as the FBI crime statistic show that
blacks commit a disproportionate number of crimes in the US and have a
higher recidivism rate which accounts for the higher incarceration rates
than whites. in real life examples, many blacks in jail for drugs are
street level dealers, after being arrested they're released and arrested
again a short time later for the same crime often in the same location,
why is that? well, because we dont see white people peddling drugs into
car windows as we do blacks. these are the facts often left off by the
race pimps to push the racism agenda


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What's funny is that disparity isn't limited to just incarceration. Income is the #1 determining factor of health as well..




since you like statistics so much, more whites are living in poverty than
black in the US, now why dont whites commit more crimes? possibly culture?
why is it that hispanics have a similar poverty rare but a crime rate as
low as whites? again, culture. the same with american indians, high
poverty rates but lower crime rates. now to clarify my earlier statement
about more whites live in poverty, nearly 25 million whites live in
poverty compared to about 12 million blacks, yeah, that's double the
number, but because of the percentages we see that blacks have higher
RATES of poverty and criminal activity





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Like I've said before, it always goes back to money. It's all part of the system.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/inc_federalprisonpop.pdf

Here is a great write up on the federal prison population by race, type of crime, sentencing amount per race, etc.



the problem is that's false, the article is also skewed, it doesnt cover
the recidivism rates, it's just a compilation of baseline statistics, what
do we see today in the music industry, something that reflects back to the
streets, talk about crime, now about how blacks are being imprisoned but
about the glorification of crime. younger blacks want to emulate their
idols, they choose to believe that they have no other options but to sell
drugs and stick up liquor stores because their music, the race pimps and
people like yourself keep telling them the same thing


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
By now, with all the threads that have been made, it should just be obvious that it sucks to be black and its amazing to be white.

Practically everything in life will be harder if your black. The deck is stacked against you on pretty much every aspect that affects their quality of life.

Why can't we talk about potential solutions to the problem instead of posting all sort of stats and circumstances?

Print flyers or something...


There are no solutions. We tried that many times and it doesnt work. In fact trying to solve it multiplies the problem. Heres a REAL solution.

Old people are dumb and racist. Lets just Giver style kill old people. Progress is quicker. Eventually we embrace genocide as a gift from God and the Bible is rewritten to reflct that. Utopia ensues


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
qman said:
moonsphere said:
qman said:
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

"Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery."

"Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa"

"Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites"


https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0325.pdf

Those numbers are based on population. It's an invalid argument because it only takes the number of the population into account. African Americans make up 13% of the population, that's where the "8 times more likely" comes from, simply because of the numbers. When you look at the ACTUAL numbers of violent crime, you will see that a higher number of crimes are committed by white people rather than black people. Black people are just incarcerated at a higher rate than white people.

It's a clever argument to someone who doesn't investigate how they gathered those statistics.


I'm not sure what your trying to say, on a RELATIVE BASIS, blacks commit a massive amount of crime than other races, therefore are incarcerated at a higher rate than other races.

More crime on a RELATIVE BASIS = more incarceration on a RELATIVE BASIS.

Of course whites commit more actual crimes than blacks. they are 5.5 times more of them than blacks, that's not the debate. :facepalm:


Blacks get policed far more heavily than whites and receive far harsher penalties from the court system.


"Blacks get policed far more heavily than whites"

Because they're more likely to commit criminal acts, males also get policed more heavily, again because they're more likely to commit crimes, this is called basic commonsense.

"receive far harsher penalties from the court system"

Most of the times it's because of their past criminal record, when you have a history of many arrests and convictions, the sentencing for the same crime changes relative to a first time offender.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: qman]
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Blacks commit more crimes, that's why they are in prison.
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You don't get stopped and frisked. You people have no fucking clue how racist cops are. I can't believe there people on a drug website that don't think the drug war is racist.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Asante said:
A disturbing number of black people, particularly black women, poarticularly the underage, go missing without a trace. Disproportionately so, in the US over 1/3 of all missing persons are black and of women, more so, and underage black girls, even far more so.



Asante said:
This story is about 64,000 missing black women nobody seems to give a damn about except their family. I'm giving it some attention here.




do you still want to say you arent racist, you're not concerned with
missing people, only missing black people


See, that's a bit silly. The article I referenced which sparked this discussion was about the disproportionate number of black, especially black female, missing persons.

That's the article. It doesn't cast any race of people in a bad light its just a metric, and you use this to say I'm being racist because I supposedly don't care about the other missing persons.

That's poppycock, I care about all missing persons but the article that sparked this thread is about black missing persons being disproportionally represnted.

The accusation of racism is especially odd since up until a while ago you let no black matters thread go unused to hammer home arguments that cast black people in unfavorable light.

Who lives in a glass house shouldnt throw stones.

So who am I racist against? Black people? No I speak out in their interest. White people from omitting them from the topic of this thread? Oh please Prisoner, give me a break That's complete nonsense and you know it.


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante]
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The only missing persons I saw on the news tonight were black for what it's worth. It was a missing 2 year old boy in the CinCinnati area.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante] * 1
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Asante said:
People here seem to have a hardon for pointing out black crime statistics, but here's another metric

A disturbing number of black people, particularly black women, poarticularly the underage, go missing without a trace. Disproportionately so, in the US over 1/3 of all missing persons are black and of women, more so, and underage black girls, even far more so.

The media do a great job of hiding this from the public, especially compared with missing white women that make the nation go crazy

What's up here?

I thought I'd bring that to your attention. This forum seems obsessed with the goings on of black people so I thought I'd share.





Black on black crime is huge in America. Especially when you live in a city that is highly segregated like Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis. "White Flight" is a very real thing that happened a few decades back when wealthy people started to move out of the cities and into the suburbs in the '50's and beyond, industry moved out of several inner city areas and left a ton of people broke and unemployed and entire neighborhoods have been left to decay. Even grocery stores refused to operate in such areas and it's why places like Atlantic City, North Philly, Camden, and more are declared 'food deserts' by the USDA.

Now these cities have experienced a huge gentrification wave and wealthy people started to move back into citys, this creates progress but there is a massive tension between the people who have lived in these neighborhoods for 30 years and the people who are buying them out. I'm digressing a bit, though, my point is that there are still places in many major US cities where segregation is an unspoken normalcy and white flight fucked over entire generations of black people who's finances ensured that they were stuck in areas that became totally dilapidated and a concentrated area of crime springing from that poverty. While there are poor areas with mostly white people in them, the difference is that those areas seem to be more rural(generally, not always). Poverty in rural areas and poverty in large, dense cities where people are on top of each other and there are gangs and massive amounts of drugs being imported and distributed is a world and a half away, and IMO the excessive violence in the latter areas are heavily influenced by environmental factors more than anything.

TLDR:
It's not as simple as discrimination towards black people or assuming that one race is more predisposed to violence than another, it's a matter of  trying to fix a very ugly past of prior discrimination from decades past and recovering from the loss of industry that hit those areas and created these areas where there is a culture of contant violence either corrupting, victimizing, or at least burdening everyone who lives there. It is not surprising or completely new to me that black women are victimized more often when I consider these facts. Consider also that sex trafficking is still a huge issue and that high crime areas are more likely to put girls living there in contact with dangerous predators who coerce them into prostitution. If an underage girl goes missing it's highly likely that they've been coerced into that and are being trafficked - much more so than being kidnapped and chopped up by a lone crazed killer.


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante] * 1
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Asante said:
Prisoner#1 said:
Asante said:
A disturbing number of black people, particularly black women, poarticularly the underage, go missing without a trace. Disproportionately so, in the US over 1/3 of all missing persons are black and of women, more so, and underage black girls, even far more so.



Asante said:
This story is about 64,000 missing black women nobody seems to give a damn about except their family. I'm giving it some attention here.




do you still want to say you arent racist, you're not concerned with
missing people, only missing black people


See, that's a bit silly. The article I referenced which sparked this discussion was about the disproportionate number of black, especially black female, missing persons.

That's the article. It doesn't cast any race of people in a bad light its just a metric, and you use this to say I'm being racist because I supposedly don't care about the other missing persons.


so now you try and justify your racism with the "but the article said..."

this isnt about the article, it's about your lack of concern for those
that arent black. that's right, the other 66% of the people that go
missing every year, 400,000 people become missing persons that you dont
give a shit about but that single demographic is of great concern and we
should do something about that... that's racism

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That's poppycock, I care about all missing persons but the article that sparked this thread is about black missing persons being disproportionally represnted.



really? then why would you say something like this "This story is about
64,000 missing black women nobody seems to give a damn about except
their family. I'm giving it some attention here.", I mean surely if you
cared about all those missing persons this wouldnt be a thread about the
missing black people but about all missing persons... unless it's racially
motivated



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Who lives in a glass house shouldnt throw stones.



mine is made of lumber, not saying I'm not just as racist as you, just
saying that we're all racists regardless of how much we would love to
deny it, every last one of us are racists


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So who am I racist against? Black people? No I speak out in their interest. White people from omitting them from the topic of this thread? Oh please Prisoner, give me a break That's complete nonsense and you know it.



and yet we're not addressing the important question, since 96% of missing
persons are run aways that are usually located and returned our numbers of
course of actual missing persons is far lower but the important part is:

"what is going on in the black community to cause such a large number of
black women, children and even men to run away"

until we actually address this issue, this thread looks like more race
baiting from yourself Reverend Sharpton


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
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ya'll both just a couple of coconut headed racist pigs.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: pirate-blues]
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pirate-blues said:
Black on black crime is huge in America.


no it's not, it's reported as some sort of epidemic but it's only
marginally higher than white on white or hispanic on hispanic crime rates,
black crime rates in general is much higher but they love to baffle us
with throwing out the raw numbers along with crime rates to make it seem
like it's some sort of 'epidemic' and to allow the race pimps more air time



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my point is that there are still places in many major US cities where segregation is an unspoken normalcy and white flight fucked over entire generations of black people who's finances ensured that they were stuck in areas that became totally dilapidated


"blame whitey" -Michelle Obama

the white flight argument doesnt hold water. black people fucked over
black people with self segregation and a disproportionately high crime
rate, black people decided to make themselves associated with fear,
intimidation and violence, not all blacks of course, just the thugs but
without a program we can know who the actors are so suddenly "all blacks
look the same" especially in cities like philly and camden, etc...



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and a concentrated area of crime springing from that poverty.




why isnt that crime concentrated in the impoverished white areas?


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