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Religious Pluralism & Trinity
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If you are interested in some new ideas on religious pluralism and the Trinity, please check out my website at www.religiouspluralism.ca, and give me your thoughts on improving content and presentation.

My thesis is that an abstract version of the Trinity could be Christianity’s answer to the world need for a framework of pluralistic theology.

In a constructive worldview: east, west, and far-east religions present a threefold understanding of One God manifest primarily in Muslim and Hebrew intuition of the Deity Absolute, Christian and Krishnan Hindu conception of the Universal Absolute Supreme Being; and Shaivite Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist apprehension of the Destroyer (meaning also Consummator), Unconditioned Absolute, or Spirit of All That Is and is not. Together with their variations and combinations in other major religions, these religious ideas reflect and express our collective understanding of God, in an expanded concept of the Holy Trinity.

The Trinity Absolute is portrayed in the logic of world religions, as follows:   

1. Muslims and Jews may be said to worship only the first person of the Trinity, i.e. the existential Deity Absolute Creator, known as Allah or Yhwh, Abba or Father (as Jesus called him), Brahma, and other names; represented by Gabriel (Executive Archangel), Muhammad and Moses (mighty messenger prophets), and others.

2. Christians and Krishnan Hindus may be said to worship the first person through a second person, i.e. the experiential Universe or "Universal” Absolute Supreme Being (Allsoul or Supersoul), called Son/Christ or Vishnu/Krishna; represented by Michael (Supreme Archangel), Jesus (teacher and savior of souls), and others. The Allsoul is that gestalt of personal human consciousness, which we expect will be the "body of Christ" (Mahdi, Messiah, Kalki or Maitreya) in the second coming – personified in history by Muhammad, Jesus Christ, Buddha (9th incarnation of Vishnu), and others.

3. Shaivite Hindus, Buddhists, and Confucian-Taoists seem to venerate the synthesis of the first and second persons in a third person or appearance, ie. the Destiny Consummator of ultimate reality – unqualified Nirvana consciousness – associative Tao of All That Is – the absonite* Unconditioned Absolute Spirit “Synthesis of Source and Synthesis,”** who/which is logically expected to be Allah/Abba/Brahma glorified  in and by union with the Supreme Being – represented in religions by Gabriel, Michael, and other Archangels, Mahadevas, Spiritpersons, etc., who may be included within the mysterious Holy Ghost.

Other strains of religion seem to be psychological variations on the third person, or possibly combinations and permutations of the members of the Trinity – all just different personality perspectives on the Same God. Taken together, the world’s major religions give us at least two insights into the first person of this thrice-personal One God, two perceptions of the second person, and at least three glimpses of the third.

* The ever-mysterious Holy Ghost or Unconditioned Spirit is neither absolutely infinite, nor absolutely finite, but absonite; meaning neither existential nor experiential, but their ultimate consummation; neither fully ideal nor totally real, but a middle path and grand synthesis of the superconscious and the conscious, in consciousness of the unconscious.

** This conception is so strong because somewhat as the Absonite Spirit is a synthesis of the spirit of the Absolute and the spirit of the Supreme, so it would seem that the evolving Supreme Being may himself also be a synthesis or “gestalt” of humanity with itself, in an Almighty Universe Allperson or Supersoul. Thus ultimately, the Absonite is their Unconditioned Absolute Coordinate Identity – the Spirit Synthesis of Source and Synthesis – the metaphysical Destiny Consummator of All That Is.

After the Hindu and Buddhist conceptions, perhaps the most subtle expression and comprehensive symbol of the 3rd person of the Trinity is the Tao; involving the harmonization of “yin and yang” (great opposing ideas indentified in positive and negative, or otherwise contrasting terms). In the Taoist icon of yin and yang, the s-shaped line separating the black and white spaces may be interpreted as the Unconditioned “Middle Path” between condition and conditioned opposites, while the circle that encompasses them both suggests their synthesis in the Spirit of the “Great Way” or Tao of All That Is.

If the small black and white circles or “eyes” are taken to represent a nucleus of truth in both yin and yang, then the metaphysics of this symbolism fits nicely with the paradoxical mystery of the Christian Holy Ghost; who is neither the spirit of the one nor the spirit of the other, but the Glorified Spirit proceeding from both, taken altogether – as one entity – personally distinct from his co-equal, co-eternal and fully coordinate co-sponsors, who differentiate from him, as well as mingle and meld in him.

For more details, please see: www.religiouspluralism.ca

Samuel Stuart Maynes

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Re: Religious Pluralism & Trinity [Re: Samuel Maynes]
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First of all,  welcome to the forum Samuel.

There are lots of "similar" theories out there and they don't seem to bring out peace.

Money seems to be written on your page, not unlike collection in the "Holy" church.


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As far as I assume to know...

Edited by liquidlounge (04/26/14 11:48 AM)

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Re: Religious Pluralism & Trinity [Re: Samuel Maynes]
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IMO the pantheon of saints in Catholicism are a better filler upper of the need for a Pluralistic theology in Christianity.

It's easy to put things into categories that they sort a belong in, but that doesn't make them a good fit.

For instance, Shiva is the most powerful in the pantheon of  Shaivite worship, but, he can be supplanted, by time, by the whim of the faithful, by a compelling author of mythology. He is not one of three, he is one of many, who holds his position due his powers and will enhanced by fierce asceticism, but another may arise of the many with more fierce asceticism and supplant him, another god, a demon or even a person.

Edited by falcon (04/26/14 03:43 PM)

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Re: Religious Pluralism & Trinity [Re: Samuel Maynes]
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Just my personal opinion, but all religion is fear based bullshit, and discussing it is a waste of time. Man up, admit your scared of dying and drop the immortality fantasies. Now THAT is worth discussing.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Religious Pluralism & Trinity [Re: liquidlounge]
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liquidlounge said:
There are lots of "similar" theories out there and they don't seem to bring out peace. Money seems to be written on your page.



I'm encouraged that someone thinks I could make some money off this stuff. Most people tell me: "Don't quit you day job." But seriously, "Peace" is what I'm after. 

If you read my Preview you will see that in an abstract and enlarged concept of Trinity, all major religions can be included without denigrating or diluting any of them. As I say on my Homepage, religious pluralism is an attitude which rejects a focus on immaterial differences, and instead emphasizes those beliefs held in common. True religious pluralism goes beyond toleration and religious liberty, and gives respect to core principles rather than contradictions and marginal issues. Pluralism is the engagement not the abandonment of distinctions.

No single point of view is the complete truth. However, there must be some form of creative pluralism or constructive interpretation that will allow all groups to agree to a “minimal consensus” of shared beliefs in a systematic unity. There must be some metaphysical systematic unity, because ultimately all truth (including science) must be part of the explanation of One God.

Religious variety provides a pleasant respite from the monotony of too much uniformity. Diversity is healthy and something to be celebrated. Pluralism also has the virtue of being a universal moral worldview. In the past, religious misunderstandings have caused immense grief, but civilization is rapidly approaching the point where the very survival of the world depends on overcoming anti-social religious conflicts, and the negative impacts of increasing population on the planet. The human race can no longer afford religious strife that divides people and disturbs urgent cooperation on mutual issues such as conservation and sharing of resources, combating climate change, stimulating healthy economic growth, etc.

Peace in the world requires peace among religions. Religious pluralism is a necessary paradigm shift whose time has come. Absent any better idea, the Trinity Absolute concept of One God in three phases or personae is the only adequate metaphysical vehicle necessary and sufficient for a real form of religious pluralism that is more than just lukewarm toleration and talking past one another.

Samuel Stuart Maynes
www.religiouspluralism.ca

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