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OfflineSole_Worthy
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The Nature of the Trinity and Man
    #1498476 - 04/27/03 07:40 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Ok, this is my first thread here, hope I go by the rules :tongue:
Im not a christian but im trying to understand how they see all of this...

What is the nature of the trinity and how to we relate to each?

As man we are born into sin. Sin is anything that is not love, if you dont have love you can not see the light. God is the light, God is pure unconditional Love.
The only way to reach God is to be forgiven for our sins. This is where Jesus comes into play..

Jesus is forgivness. Forgivness can only come through Love. God forgives our sins through Jesus. With our sins removed we are then in contact with God.

Thats as far as Ive got.  I still can't quite work out what the spook has to do with all this though :tongue:

Also do other religions have their own names for the Trinity?
 


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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #1498844 - 04/27/03 10:07 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

For those observing this board this is a *bump*


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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #1499314 - 04/28/03 01:02 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

here's the take from a catholic standpoint.

there are to things that exist, love and fear. hate is nothing, it is a product of the fear of love, only love and fear exist.

therefore, sin, is the fear of love in any form, more specifically, the fear of the love of god or love twoards god. If you can not give yourself completley to god with love, and except his love, this is from fear, of possibly anything, this is where sin comes from, fear.

The trinity is refered to as the father, the son, and the holy spirit.

I like to refer to the holy trinity as the Mind, The body, and the Spirit.

And yes, many religions have there own version of the trinity. although i'm not completley sure on specifc names and such. I know Islam is one such religion.

I don't think this is exactly what you were asking for, but i'm kinda confused as to what you really want to know, so i'll wait till i see some more responses.


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there is wisdom in... [Re: thestringphish]
    #1499474 - 04/28/03 01:46 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

the teachings of the Christ...

from the Christian perspective...there is God the father (mistranslated...the hebrew word is translated as being without gender...like a union of the masculine and femine) ...translate through other methods as the all...or the underlying union of all..
Christ apparently came as prophesised and suffered at the hands of men, and through his selfless sacrifice, became the salvation of all people through the miracle of reserection...

And when he went away, he said he'd leave a spirit in the inTerm...the Holy Spirit... to empower his followers until his return...
His disciples we're endowed with 'gifts' from the holy spirit...gift's like healing, speaking in tongues, teaching...that sort of thing...

I read a little bit about this ZenChristian...that was teaching when a student asked him when he had read the cristian scripture. To which he replied...i'v3e nver read all of them...just one verse that summed up Christianity for him....
Jesus wept.


Hope this help's in the seeking. you may also consider looking for an mp3 called 'swimming headless' by alan watts...he talks of christ's teachings in that one.

Enjoy!

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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #1499735 - 04/28/03 03:12 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

I don't care for those buzzwords of Christianity. They really sicken me.

I think that love can be found within yourself, and finding God within yourself shows you that you prehaps shouldn't hurt others becauze you would be hurting yourself. If you can see this, your 'sins' will be washed away (your psyche will no longer have guilt) and you can live in harmony with your envronment (or reality) and the people in it with you.

This is what I believe it all means. Too bad christians are too stupid to see this.  :tongue:


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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: Murex]
    #1499779 - 04/28/03 03:34 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

it's not that there too stupid, there really are and have been some brilliant christian minds, they are just programed to look at things from a point of veiw that does not make enlightenment easy, not to mentiont, told if they sway from the churchs teachings(which are not the true teachings of christ in the first place) they will go to hell, which makes it that much harder for christians to be truley Spiritually rich, instead of just Theologically rich.


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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: thestringphish]
    #1499782 - 04/28/03 03:35 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

.....and that makes them stupid for the most part (imo).


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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: Murex]
    #1500070 - 04/28/03 08:23 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

I think that love can be found within yourself




and

Quote:

Too bad christians are too stupid to see this.





coming from the same person contradict each other more than you can imagine...

regards, :laugh:


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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: thestringphish]
    #1500367 - 04/28/03 12:04 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Thank you everyone,

About the Catholic viewpoint. I can't see how its simply fear of love that would keep us from connecting with God. I am not fearful of Love. I just don't know how because of other negative things within my thinking.


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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #1500376 - 04/28/03 12:13 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Whether or not you think Catholocism is stupid, its a good idea to make yourself educated. Theres millions and millions of Catholics in this country, and intolerance isnt a good idea, no matter what the cause is....


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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1500408 - 04/28/03 12:26 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

I don't think the Catholic viewpoint is "stupid" I just can't get my head round the fear of Love thing. I made this thread so I could be educted about just what you are saying.


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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #1500501 - 04/28/03 01:20 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Right! Kudos to you for making an attempt to understand another mind set. I didnt mean to sound like I was bashing anyone.

And whoever said that Fear and Love are the only things that exist...Where is this taken from? Not that I'm saying your wrong, just that I've never heard this particular idea before...I'm curious...


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: The Nature of the Trinity and Man [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #1500792 - 04/28/03 03:39 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

This is on my chest, so I will never forget.



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