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OfflineZahid
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American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy
    #1979760 - 10/04/03 09:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

04 October 2003

A week of unrelenting bad news for President George Bush was capped yesterday by a new poll showing that Americans are losing faith in his ability to handle foreign policy crises - something the White House had expected to be a major asset as he prepares his 2004 re-election campaign.

According to a New York Times/CBS survey, not only does a majority of the population disapprove of his handling of the economy - which has been plagued by slow growth and stubbornly high unemployment - for the first time a majority, albeit a slender one of 45 to 44 per cent, does not like his handling of foreign policy. Fifty-six per cent feel the country is "on the wrong track" while 53 per cent doubt whether the Iraq war has been worth the cost.

Mr Bush still has strong cards, including a continuing public faith in his leadership qualities, his honesty, and the feeling that he has made the country safer. But the poll shows that because of the disorder in Iraq, the feeble economy and the gathering scandal over the leaking of the name of a CIA operative, he has suddenly become vulnerable. The poll was being conducted when the Justice Department announced it was opening a criminal investigation into the leak.

For the first time, Mr Bush's overall ratings have slid back to where they were before 11 September 2001. By historical standards, his approval figure of about 50 per cent at this stage in the election cycle is fairly good. But it is far below the sustained 80 per cent level after the terrorist attacks, and the 70 per cent approval immediately after the invasion of Iraq.

Most ominously, Bush the son is following the same path as Bush the father. In the early autumn of 1991, at the same point in his presidency, George Bush Snr basked in an approval rating of 68 per cent. A year later he was on the verge of defeat by Bill Clinton.

For the first time, hypothetical match-ups show Mr Bush being beaten by two of the 10 Democratic presidential contenders. Retired General Wesley Clark, who entered the race just a fortnight ago, is ahead of the 43rd President by 49 per cent to 46 per cent, while Senator John Kerry, of Massachusetts, beats him by 48 to 47.

These figures reflect opinion before the row over the alleged leak by the White House of the name of Valerie Plame, a CIA employee and wife of the former ambassador Joseph Wilson, a vigorous critic of the Bush administration's policy over Iraq.

FBI agents began interviewing officials at the White House yesterday in an inquiry which will also involve the State and Defence Departments and the CIA itself. A new Justice Department request for materials connected with the investigation was issued on Thursday night. State Department and Pentagon officials said they had been asked to "look at our calendars and documents".

The prime suspect is Karl Rove, Mr Bush's senior adviser and key strategist. Mr Rove denies the allegations.

Democrats are demanding an independent investigation, arguing that links between the Attorney General, John Ashcroft, and Mr Rove amount to a clear conflict of interest.

This first criminal investigation of the Bush presidency will revive memories of the scandal-ridden Clinton era, and undermine another Bush selling point, his reputation for integrity in office.

The President's rocky ride is having other repercussions. On Thursday evening renegade Republicans in the normally tightly disciplined House of Representatives joined forces with Democrats to inflict a rare defeat on the White House on overtime pay regulations.

But the embattled White House gained one crumb of comfort yesterday, with a Labour Department report that the economy added 57,000 jobs in September, after eight consecutive months of losses.

Whatever happens in Iraq, Mr Bush's re-election team believes his grip on the presidency will be determined by the economy. Robust growth of 3.5 per cent is forecast for the final quarter of 2003, but to the White House's chagrin this has been the "jobless recovery".The headline unemployment rate was unchanged at 6.1 per cent last month, although the latest figures may show that as the recovery continues new jobs are finally being created.

Since Mr Bush took office, the US economy has lost more than 2.5 million jobs. Almost certainly, therefore, he will have the unwelcome distinction of being the first incumbent since Herbert Hoover to preside over a net loss of jobs during his term.


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: Zahid]
    #2005802 - 10/13/03 06:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Bush Approval Rating Back Up, Poll Says
Associated Press ^

President Bush's job approval rating, which had slumped in several recent polls, has bounced back to 56 percent in a CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll released Monday.

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Zogby has him at 55%, CNN/USA today now has him at 56%.



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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: wingnutx]
    #2006153 - 10/13/03 08:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That has much to do with the market though, in fact that boost of support is mainly from higher-income Americans.


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: Zahid]
    #2006168 - 10/13/03 08:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Heh.

Ding Ding Ding.. Tell Zahid what he has won:

A golden wolf.


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2006212 - 10/13/03 08:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Zahid- Interesting, I read both of those polls he alluded to, and I didn't see one thing about income. Do tell us (read: Post proof) of how you came to your conclusion? Or did you just take a fact, distort it through your LiberalWorldViewer, and come up with that?


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: lysergic]
    #2006252 - 10/13/03 09:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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lysergic said:
Zahid- Interesting, I read both of those polls he alluded to, and I didn't see one thing about income. Do tell us (read: Post proof) of how you came to your conclusion? Or did you just take a fact, distort it through your LiberalWorldViewer, and come up with that?




http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/13/elec04.poll.bush/index.html


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: Zahid]
    #2006612 - 10/13/03 11:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That sure shut that f***er up :wink:


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: ]
    #2006694 - 10/13/03 11:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Unfortunately that f***er never shuts up for long.


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: ]
    #2007069 - 10/14/03 01:55 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Heh. Look, it's Fiend.

/me blows you a kiss.


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2008362 - 10/14/03 03:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The rise in his popularity can be traced to the rise in the stock market.. So other words he's catering to the super rich.. How novel..


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: Bhairabas]
    #2008374 - 10/14/03 03:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Are there that many super-rich?

His poll numbers will go up and down like everyone elses.



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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: wingnutx]
    #2008530 - 10/14/03 04:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

How many people on well fare invest in the stock market..


Edited by Bhairabas (10/14/03 04:33 PM)


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: Bhairabas]
    #2008644 - 10/14/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

HEH... trickle down.. remember?


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2008730 - 10/14/03 05:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

What is wrong with catering to the rich? The rich pay MUCH MUCH more taxes than the poor people do, thus, they contribute more.  I think that it's just part of the anti-White, anti-Rich, anti-American hype that liberals push on others. Well, tough shit, I'm "upper middle class', and I couldn't care less if you whiny poor bastards don't like it :smile:


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: lysergic]
    #2008742 - 10/14/03 05:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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The rich pay MUCH MUCH more taxes than the poor people do, thus, they contribute more.



Actually, since the rich usually invest their money, while the poor and middle-class usually put their money right back into the economy, it could easily be argued that they contribute more.


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: silversoul7]
    #2008798 - 10/14/03 05:57 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I see you've been listening to that jackass professor again.

Do you think money invested just magically earns a return? Do you think the rich are stupid enough to stick there money into a savings account and watch it grow at a whopping 1% rate of return?

They invest it in stocks and the like. These stocks are the way companies get money to expand their businesses, to widen the range of products they offer. When companies do these things they have to spend money. Money for materials, money for product development and the like.

Frankly the lack of thought you put into some of this stuff amazes me.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: lysergic]
    #2008824 - 10/14/03 06:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Poor?

I mean, Im not a Trump, but Im also not poor.

Some of us Dot comers got in before the bust.

Would you like to know what I did with all that money this legislation saved me on my dividend taxes?

It went toward musical instruments for poor students. The ones whose parents couldnt even afford to rent them anymore because their jobs had been decimated by the same thing that was giving me all this expendable money. I didnt have to pay any dividend taxes at all.. did you know that I got to write off the cost of my SUV last year too? It was a veritable windfall.. a perk that bush gave.

If you really were upper middle class, you would know that you can hire an accountant for about a grand and not pay a cent in taxes. The loopholes were written for us, and you are a moron if you cant even figure out how to take advantage of them. If you pay much much more in taxes, yer either illterate or a sucker.


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2008833 - 10/14/03 06:04 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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It went toward musical instruments for poor students.



That was good of you. That is how it should be done. The government has no business doing things like that. If it wasn't for all the damn handouts the economy would be in much better shape and many who have lost jobs would still have them.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2008856 - 10/14/03 06:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

But the fact is.. you dont have to pay taxes to the government regardless of your income level (I digress, from lys and your points). You can choose where your money goes.

Why dont all the people who bitch about the liberal programs accept some personal responsibility and decide how their money will be spent?

It is entirely possible.


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Re: American voters lose faith in Bush's foreign policy [Re: lysergic]
    #2008918 - 10/14/03 06:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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lysergic said:
What is wrong with catering to the rich? The rich pay MUCH MUCH more taxes than the poor people do, thus, they contribute more.  I think that it's just part of the anti-White, anti-Rich, anti-American hype that liberals push on others. Well, tough shit, I'm "upper middle class', and I couldn't care less if you whiny poor bastards don't like it :smile: 




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