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Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots
    #1492497 - 04/25/03 11:17 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/aa011.htm

A quote from the above link:

When George Bush was campaigning for the presidency, as incumbent vice president, one of his stops was in Chicago, Illinois, on August 27, 1987. At O'Hare Airport he held a formal outdoor news conference. There Robert I. Sherman, a reporter for the American Atheist news journal, fully accredited by the state of Illinois and by invitation a participating member of the press corps covering the national candidates had the following exchange with then Vice President Bush.

Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?
Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in god is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

I really hope Bush Jr. didn't take after his father on this one...



Edited by chodamunky (04/25/03 11:19 AM)


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: chodamunky]
    #1492509 - 04/25/03 11:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

wow i could puke.


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: chodamunky]
    #1492530 - 04/25/03 11:30 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"separation of church and state"

What a joke.




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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: Learyfan]
    #1492575 - 04/25/03 11:46 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Its funny that they say it all the time, like it's a big deal. But ALL of your money says "In God We Trust", as does the Supreme Court and probably hundreds of other federal things...


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: Learyfan]
    #1492983 - 04/25/03 01:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone who can read and comprehend realizes the constitution makes no mention of, nor requires, seperation of church and state. Rather, it says government cannot establish or prohibit a state mandated religon.


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: chodamunky]
    #1493139 - 04/25/03 02:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Is he not allowed to have a personal opinion?
It isn't like he is arresting atheists.


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: z@z.com]
    #1493245 - 04/25/03 02:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Is he not allowed to have a personal opinion?
It isn't like he is arresting atheists.




What if he hated black people? It's just his opinion right? Why does it matter what the presidents opinion is?



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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: Learyfan]
    #1493269 - 04/25/03 03:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

What if he hated black people?



Klinton did, and jews as well.

Quote:

It's just his opinion right?



Yup.

Quote:

Why does it matter what the presidents opinion is?



His opinion is at least as valid as yours. Why should your opinion matter and not his?


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1493283 - 04/25/03 03:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Klinton did, and jews as well.




I don't like Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote:

His opinion is at least as valid as yours. Why should your opinion matter and not his?




You think it's cool that a President hates a certain race?



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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: Learyfan]
    #1493381 - 04/25/03 03:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I don't like Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This may come as a shock to many here, but neither do I.


Quote:

You think it's cool that a President hates a certain race?



Are we reading the same thread or has your hate blinded you?


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1493391 - 04/25/03 03:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

I don't like Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This may come as a shock to many here, but neither do I.





You lie.  :mad:


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1493404 - 04/25/03 03:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You're right Klinton is my heerrrooooooo!


:smirk:


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1493405 - 04/25/03 03:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

What if he hated black people?



Klinton did, and jews as well.



sources?


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1493412 - 04/25/03 03:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think your LOVE is blinding you! :wink:

I've been reading that ALOT lately..."its your hate of bush that....blah blah blah"

I mean c'mon!  I  for one didn't even know he was president before afghanistan, its his direct actions that make those against him feel the way we do.


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: silversoul7]
    #1493424 - 04/25/03 03:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

His security detail has reported his and Hillbillys comments and feelings about both blacks and jews on more than one occasion.

I don't doubt your ability to find the info on your own.

I'd be surprised if you weren't already aware of this.


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: z@z.com]
    #1493426 - 04/25/03 03:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Is he not allowed to have a personal opinion?




Sure he is, aren't we allowed to judge him by it?

My opinion of his opinion is that he is a douchebag who shouldn't be president.


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1493429 - 04/25/03 03:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I think your LOVE is blinding you! :wink:

I've been reading that ALOT lately..."its your hate of bush that....blah blah blah"

I mean c'mon!  I  for one didn't even know he was president before afghanistan, its his direct actions that make those against him feel the way we do. 



While I did know he was president before 9/11, I didn't really much care until he started taking our civil liberties away.  When he came into office I was actually willing to give him a chance, and he blew it.  Worst president ever!


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1493666 - 04/25/03 04:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Klinton did, and jews as well.




klinton again? how does that freak keep popping in conversations about Bush?


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: chodamunky]
    #1493674 - 04/25/03 04:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I read this a way back, I'm an athiest myself and it bothered me to read it.. But what can you expect from that idiot Bush.

The thing is those comments weren't confirmed, meaning only this Athiest news reporter heard this with no others to confirm if it was true.

I believe Bush said it, but really does it matter?

I hate the guy to begin with, knowing whether its true or not makes no difference to me.  :grin:


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Re: Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots [Re: chodamunky]
    #1493716 - 04/25/03 05:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I really hope Bush Jr. didn't take after his father on this one...

Well if you stop to think that Bush 41 was merely a good old-fashioned Episcopalian but his son is a self-designated "born again" Methodist, the logical conclusion would be that Bush Jr. not only takes after Daddy but in fact SURPASSES him on the point of being a religious nutjob moron. Bush even said he thought that God was guiding his hand in launching the war on Iraq . . he uses the word "crusade" constantly . . . and he's perfectly happy to take away the rights and civil liberties of people who are American citizens and not even atheists. I would reckon that not only does Bush Jr. consider atheists to be non-citizens and non-patriots, he probably has trouble even seeing them as human.


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