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Florida Pholiota ID
    #1977623 - 10/03/03 11:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i am fairly sure this is a Pholiota mushroom, but i can find nothing that would match this to species, if someone could provide me with any good website about this mushroom (Pholiota or otherwise) i would gladly appreciate it.

some distinguishing characterstics i have noticed:

-VERY hard stem, one of the hardest ive seen in fleshy mushrooms.
-white scale and ring-like scales near joining of stipe and gills and minute whitish remanants along margin of cap. also small remanants around upper part of stem in some specimens.
-very defined striations along stipe
-horseradish like odor that diminishes in drying
-deep chocolate brown spore print
-buff to yellowish flesh that darkens in stem after breaking open
-overall VERY sturdy mushroom
-incurved margin, fairly uneven.
-one at least one specimen, minute cracking of the the nonremovable pellicle, almost like tiny scales in middle of depressed cap.
-as shown, highly variable pileus color
-obvious veil remenants in od you specimens, with covered lamalleae in very young, veil breaking eratically with holes in large amounts.
-wavy, fairly well-spaced cocao-brown gills, adnexed to almost free.
-NON VISCID

large hydrophanous cap and small underside


visible well-defined bright, thick hyphae mycelium with side view of group.


side view


small group growing


so whats up?


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Re: Florida Pholiota ID [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1979190 - 10/04/03 04:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Pholiota seems a reasonable genus for those. The best key I can find for Pholiota is in German (how's your technical German?).

http://www.tham-thueringen.de/tham/html/pholiota.html

The species that seems to resemble yours most is Pholiota albocrenulata. The biggest disagreement is that your mushrooms aren't at all slimy capped.

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Re: Florida Pholiota ID [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1979461 - 10/04/03 07:00 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

my technical german is bad. my technical german needs counseling.

thanks a lot though toxic, i am not going to learn german now nor am i talented enough in german to be able to read it. i tried for 2 minutes and i feel like something is tumbling inside of me and about to spill over the top. salt water is seeping out onto my spleen.

there are many differences i see between my specimens and P. albocrenulata.
-the veil remenants are white instead of brown
-the gills are adnexed in most specimens to notched at best instead of notched-slightly decurrent
-the gills turn brown/olive/gray at a very young age and are darker than white at a young age
-the stems are definately on the thick side for this species
-again the "scales" on the stem are not brown but are white/creamy, although there are curved brownish scales towards the bottom that look more like pieces of the stalk were peeled.
-according to Arora, they are widely distributed but rarely found, and if so solitary or in small groups of 2 or three. i found at least 15 of them and they were growing in mulch, not on stumps or logs.
-again it was not viscid, even when wet.

i even considered this species when trying to identify, but i ruled it out. thanks again.


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Re: Florida Pholiota ID [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #2021408 - 10/18/03 10:52 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

do you have anything else on this toxic?


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Re: Florida Pholiota ID [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #2021425 - 10/18/03 11:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Another possibility is that they are Agrocybes. I don't have a good key to the genus, but they tend to grow on wood or wood debris, have non-viscid caps, and brown spore prints.

Incidentally, for language translation on the net, don't forget to try using BabelFish. The results are often humorous, but they're adequate enough to make the key usable if your German (or whatever) isn't up to it.

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Re: Florida Pholiota ID [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2021670 - 10/19/03 01:13 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for the web page. i am polish though  :wink: 


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Re: Florida Pholiota ID [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #2022275 - 10/19/03 09:56 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

oh man: this picture is just begging S. r-a compared to my last picture.

http://www.bluewillowpages.com/mushroomexpert/stropharia_rugosoannulata_03big.jpg

the features that dont match that species are the lack of the ring and the deep brown spore print.

this is really a tough mushroom because it falls into the strophariaceae, then possibly falling into a few of its genera (Pholiota, Stropharia, and may as well be Naemataloma because of the deep brown spore print). and it also could very well be an Agrocybe because of the similiraties between Agrocybe and Pholiota.

from where i stand to distinguish between these genera with this specimen would be very tough without a miscrope, which i dont have. nor do i have any more specimens.

for now ill say probably Pholiota or Agrocybe, perhaps Naematoloma as a third option.

i cannot go into species today because i have little time. i have keyed two possible species in the other two genera: A. aegerita in the A. praecox group, and N. sublateritium written with N. aurantiaca in Arora's manual of mushroom orders and disorders.

tadah mr. LC. thank you beautifully.


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