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NE Ohio ID please
    #2673528 - 05/13/04 02:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hello all.  This is my first post to this great site, so wish me luck lol.  Hopefully I don't mess it up too bad.

Description...(excuse the crappy pics)




Found NE Ohio in a flower bed containing last years mulch(decomposing?) and some of this years plants.  Most of them were found in the plant growth(humidity?), but some were found in the open areas.
Gills:  Brownish/tan color attached from the cap at the very top of the stem.
Cap size:  The caps range from .5-2.25in/1.27-5.715cm
Stem size:  Thin; Roughly .25in/.635cm.  Length ranging from 1.5-6in/3.81-15.24cm 
The stem is something of a butter color, and the caps are darker.  I'd say tanish.
Spore print:  Light brown
Bruising:  I'm not at all sure about this, so don't hold me to it, but I believe they bruise dark brown.
Scent:  Mushroomy  :wink:

Almost forgot, they have a veil about 1in/2.54cm from the top of the stem. 
And my best guess is Pholiota veris.

That is all.  I thank you for your time, and any info!


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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: daimyo]
    #2673538 - 05/13/04 02:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Dude... You followed the guidelines... and it's your first post...

I'm very pleased.


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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: daimyo]
    #2673566 - 05/13/04 02:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Probably Conocybe tenera,

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Conocybe tenera (Schaeff.: Fries) Fayod
Annales des Sciences Naturelles, Ser. 7, 9: 357. 1889.
Pileus

Pileus 10-25 mm broad, bell-shaped, becoming convex with a decurved margin; surface smooth, hygrophanous, striate, obscurely so in age, at first light-brown, fading to dull, buff-brown or ochraceous-brown; flesh thin, cream-buff; odor and taste mild.

Lamellae

Gills adnate, close, relatively narrow, pallid to cream-buff, becoming rusty-brown in age, edges paler than the faces.

Stipe

Stipe 3.5-7.0 cm tall, 1.5-4.0 mm thick, equal to slightly enlarged at the base, fragile, hollow, surface pruinose at the apex, otherwise smooth or faintly longitudinally striate, colored like the cap or darker; veil absent.

Spores

Spores 11-16 x 6-8.5 ?m, elliptical, smooth, thin-walled, with an apical pore; spore print rusty-brown.

Habitat

Solitary, gregarious to clustered on disturbed ground, e.g. grassy areas, in gardens, or along trails.

Edibility

Unknown; a related species, Conocybe filaris, contains toxins similar to those in the Death Cap, Amanita phalloides.




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Edited by MAIA (05/13/04 02:58 PM)


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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: MAIA]
    #2673575 - 05/13/04 02:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

So its posion to eat that?


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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: MAIA]
    #2673597 - 05/13/04 02:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Maia, in that description I see that it says "veil absent". Does that mean no veil? These have veils.
I didn't see that pic before either. If that is what the ones in your descriptions look like, then those are not mine.

Thank you!


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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: SmokeBud2GetHigh]
    #2673598 - 05/13/04 02:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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SmokeBud2GetHigh said:
So its posion to eat that?




Not for a fact, but there is way too high of a chance that it might be poisonous to risk it.


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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: adoseofparn0z]
    #2673607 - 05/13/04 03:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I found mushrooms that look just like daimyos growing in grass that is fertilized could that be bad? i did a spore print 1 came out blueish and greenish in the middle and the other print was blackish-dark dark purpleish


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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: MAIA]
    #2674316 - 05/13/04 05:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Maia, those are not Conocybe, the capos are campanulate somewhat and are not really conic. Probably somewhat bellshaped to campanulate. or so.

mj

Oh Yeah, Beautiful Conocybe photo.

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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: daimyo]
    #2674403 - 05/13/04 05:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

As you suggested, Pholiota is definitely a possibility. My first thought is Agrocybe. Agrocybe praecox and its close relatives are often common this time of year.

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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: daimyo]
    #2674417 - 05/13/04 05:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

So does anybody second my guess of Pholiota veris?
Or how about an idea as to active/inactive edible/not?

I just saw more of these in the library flower beds which have fresh mulch.


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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: daimyo]
    #2674663 - 05/13/04 06:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

could they be Psilocybe Caerulipes?


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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: SmokeBud2GetHigh]
    #2676103 - 05/13/04 11:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think they're caeruilpes. The print seems too light, and they've yet to show any bluing.
I suppose I'm going to go with my original guess on this one.

Thanks to everyone that replied. Cheers!


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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: daimyo]
    #2676696 - 05/14/04 04:49 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

After a bit more research, I don't think those are Pholiota veris. Although they are similar, your specimens seem to lack a persistent ring, a consistent feature in that species.

Many species of Pholiota cause stomach upsets, and there aren't many edible species. Most are unknown, but probably not worth trying. mj doesn't list any active Pholiota species on his website (although there are a couple active Gymnopilus species with Pholiota synonyms).

Are the caps slimy or sticky? If dry, try wetting your fingertip with a drop or two of water and checking.


Unfortunately, identification of Pholiotas even to subgenus requires a microscope. There are a few distinctive species, but your specimens fall into one of the groups that are not so distinctive.

For identification of Pholiotas, we first need to determine if the cap cuticle has any gelatinous layers. Once we know that we need to know about the various types of cystidia that may or may not occur on them. In particular we need to know about chrysocystidia, pleurocystidia, and leptocystidia (what fun!). From that we can get to subgenus. Even after you've determined the stuff above, you've got more microscope work to figure out which section, then stirp, then species.

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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2677151 - 05/14/04 10:29 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know that I'd call the caps slimy, but certainly slick(when fresh).

There was a bunch of maggots(or something like em) all over, so I threw them away. Maybe I'll pick some more and break out the old microscope this weekend.

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Re: NE Ohio ID please [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2678058 - 05/14/04 03:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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As you suggested, Pholiota is definitely a possibility. My first thought is Agrocybe. Agrocybe praecox and its close relatives are often common this time of year.





You beat me to it, TM.


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    #2681883 - 05/15/04 12:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well after much thought, and a few new specimens, I am going to agree with you all. The main thing that drew me away from Agrocybe praecox at first was the spore prints; they just seemed to light.

Anyhow, thanks a ton! Keep on living the good life!


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