Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery

MushroomMan Mycology
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |  [ show all ]
Why non-materialists are cuckoo
    #19085518 -

They frequently chide materialists for being stuck in the five senses, but here is the dealio:

If the non-materialist can actually detect another realm then it is obviously interacting with this one - hence it is material.

However the non-materialist generally 'interacts' with the alleged non-material realm through emotion, feeling, the third eye, imagination, and/or intuition. None of these 'methods' have any known reliability nor do non-materialists describe the non-material realm in any way as to paint a consensual picture; nor has any verifiable real world knowledge ever been gained by such methods.



Case closed!


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19085563 -

the only thing i know is that being overly materialistic is what is causing many wars and destructive events

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: i like cow poo]
    #19085590 -

Nice way to confuse consumerism with philosophical materialism.

I will go back to making joke threads as it is almost impossible to have a real discussion.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19085594 -

Your nose has bulbed.  Cut back on the booze.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: Icelander]
    #19085613 -

I will go back to making joke threads as it is almost impossible to have a real discussion.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19085653 -

my point still stands:kingcrankey:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19085663 -

OrgoneConclusion said:
I will go back to making joke threads as it is almost impossible to have a real discussion.



I never noticed you had stopped. :whacker:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 2
    #19085674 -

OrgoneConclusion said:
I will go back to making joke threads as it is almost impossible to have a real discussion.


Well there you go, you're having a discussion that lacks substance. The proof was here all along.


--------------------
rahz

comfort pleasure power love     truth awareness peace I am      I feel      I do     I love  I speak    I see    I know

why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: Rahz]
    #19085680 -

:smuglook:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: i like cow poo] * 1
    #19085686 -

i like cow poo said:
my point still stands:kingcrankey:





--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19085986 -

hand over teh marihuanas and no1 gets hurt

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: i like cow poo]
    #19086200 -



"We get hurt when you pick us!"


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19088184 -

OrgoneConclusion said:


"We get hurt when you pick us!"


You lined them up
You tied them down
You cut them
You burned them
You you you
Why is it
Always about
You


--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19088249 -

OrgoneConclusion said:
They frequently chide materialists for being stuck in the five senses, but here is the dealio:

If the non-materialist can actually detect another realm then it is obviously interacting with this one - hence it is material.

However the non-materialist generally 'interacts' with the alleged non-material realm through emotion, feeling, the third eye, imagination, and/or intuition. None of these 'methods' have any known reliability nor do non-materialists describe the non-material realm in any way as to paint a consensual picture; nor has any verifiable real world knowledge ever been gained by such methods.



Case closed!


I don't think just because something can interact with you, it is necessarily interacting with the world in an objective and measurable manner through independent and verifiable source. Otherwise there would be no such thing as subjectivity, because everything could be determined objectively, yet not everything has been determined objectively . . . .

I mean just think about all the things that we can't detect with 5 of our senses that has been said to exist through inductive reasoning or other instrumentation. Would it be correct to say that those things didn't exist until evidence was provided of the existence or what it existing all along but immeasurable?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: teknix]
    #19088281 -

You Kant measure something without changing it.


--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19094762 -

I disagree. Material science will not even acknowledge what cannot be physically measured, but I contest that it does not mean that it is not there. What about the great Francis Crick? Could one contend that his altered state of consciousness have led him to realize, or receive an information download as some may say, of the double helix?

I'm just not convinced.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19096118 -

I don't think there can be a logical, or at least scientifically logical argument against materialism. I'd love to see one, but ultimately you cannot prove non materialistic phenomena because such things cannot be measured (if they even exist at all).


--------------------
Are you a lucky little lady in the City of Light
Or just another lost angel?
City of Night, City of Night,
City of Night, City of Night, woo, c'mon

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19096223 -

but ultimately you cannot prove non materialistic phenomena

What about schizophrenics? If they see a smiley right next to this instead of the question mark:?

If a group is able to demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument the rest don't see, have they proven it or not?


--------------------
As far as I assume to know...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19096454 -

Quote:
I don't think there can be a logical, or at least scientifically logical argument against materialism. I'd love to see one, but ultimately you cannot prove non materialistic phenomena because such things cannot be measured (if they even exist at all).


This isn't true at all. There are many logical arguments against materialism, Idealism vs materialism is an age old debate. Counter to common belief materialism isn't an obvious fact.

In fact you have it backwards. Idealism cannot be denied whereas materialism cannot be proven. Maybe shocking but  it is true.


--------------------
..and may the zelda theme song be with you at all times, amen.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: soldatheero]
    #19096582 -

Please don't address me, click "quick reply" on jimiandtheshroom27's post and then write your post or simply quote him.

In regards to your post:

materialism cannot be proven.

How is this not a smiley: :smile:?


--------------------
As far as I assume to know...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |  [ show all ]

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Materialistic, Nihlistic, Egomaniacs.
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all )		 teknix 5,716 134 01/12/12 05:04 PM
by NetDiver
* The last ever materialist debate thread
( 1 2 3 all )		 OrgoneConclusion 2,941 55 06/30/13 11:23 PM
by Cactilove
* Materialists vs. non-materialists
( 1 2 3 all )		 OrgoneConclusion 3,224 40 10/04/10 08:14 PM
by Poid
* Atheist, materialist, theist, lets clarify.
( 1 2 3 all )		 Desert Elf 2,747 56 03/05/12 03:50 PM
by BlueCoyote
* Materialists: Your life may soon get harder mofo 943 13 09/27/08 10:13 AM
by Icelander
* The Materialist Interactionist Dualist
( 1 2 all )		 xFrockx 1,102 32 03/21/10 09:44 PM
by Noteworthy
* The Afterlife... a possibility for reductionistic materialists?
( 1 2 3 4 all )		 deCypher 5,630 60 05/10/11 11:47 PM
by MarkostheGnostic
* Materialistic Society And Their Toys
( 1 2 3 all )		 fireworks_godS 6,542 55 02/02/09 07:48 PM
by CosmicJoke

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
4,967 topic views. 3 members, 19 guests and 13 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.032 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 18 queries.