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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18479037 - 06/27/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't expect any honesty here as most of the alleged 'truth-seekers' could give a flying fuck about truth. But here is the question anyway:

If you could live in a world of nothing but materialists or nothing but non-materialists, which would you choose and why?

Hint: If you choose the latter, you would have no car, electricity, stereo, A/C, computer and so on.




Sorry but this post doesn't make much sense to me.  Your definition of materialism is clearly not the same as mine.  You seem to define materialism as having, creating and inventing "stuff".  I define materialism as putting the importance of having "stuff" above the importance of other values. 

Being "non-materialist" does not mean you are not allowed to have things.  It just means that it doesn't rank high on your list of priorities.


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: PocketLady]
    #18479093 - 06/27/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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PocketLady said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
I don't expect any honesty here as most of the alleged 'truth-seekers' could give a flying fuck about truth. But here is the question anyway:

If you could live in a world of nothing but materialists or nothing but non-materialists, which would you choose and why?

Hint: If you choose the latter, you would have no car, electricity, stereo, A/C, computer and so on.




Sorry but this post doesn't make much sense to me.  Your definition of materialism is clearly not the same as mine.  You seem to define materialism as having, creating and inventing "stuff".  I define materialism as putting the importance of having "stuff" above the importance of other values. 

Being "non-materialist" does not mean you are not allowed to have things.  It just means that it doesn't rank high on your list of priorities.




Materialism

In philosophy, the theory of materialism holds that the only thing that exists is matter or energy; that all things are composed of material and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions. In other words, matter is the only substance, and reality is identical with the actually occurring states of energy and matter.


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: Memories]
    #18479114 - 06/27/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Materialism

In philosophy, the theory of materialism holds that the only thing that exists is matter or energy; that all things are composed of material and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions. In other words, matter is the only substance, and reality is identical with the actually occurring states of energy and matter.




Given the content of the thread and OP I thought we were talking economic materialism here? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_materialism

"Materialism (adj. materialistic) is the excessive desire to acquire and consume material goods."


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: PocketLady]
    #18479126 - 06/27/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

nope


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18479128 - 06/27/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

How about living in a materialist world in which I could consume a special food that would take me to a non-materialistic one?
Wait, I can't even conceive of a non-materialistic world...sounds like death. :shrug:


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: Memories]
    #18479301 - 06/27/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Ok my bad.


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18481156 - 06/27/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't expect any honesty here as most of the alleged 'truth-seekers' could give a flying fuck about truth. But here is the question anyway:

If you could live in a world of nothing but materialists or nothing but non-materialists, which would you choose and why?

Hint: If you choose the latter, you would have no car, electricity, stereo, A/C, computer and so on.





non-materialists.



Tesla's theories could (and a lot currently are running the modern world) have probably made for more improved versions of the all of the above hints.


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18481521 - 06/27/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I don't expect any honesty here as most of the alleged 'truth-seekers' could give a flying fuck about truth. But here is the question anyway:

If you could live in a world of nothing but materialists or nothing but non-materialists, which would you choose and why?

Hint: If you choose the latter, you would have no car, electricity, stereo, A/C, computer and so on.




What evidence that all of these inventors were materialists and what evidence to the contrary?

It really doesn't look like you got much there from here at this point . . .

What about Newton for instance?

I choose STAL because I think it is a horrible analogy and false dichotomy.


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: teknix]
    #18481584 - 06/27/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I think both worlds would completely suck and be under rule by a single authority and that people probably wouldn't have many rights or be allowed free thinking beyond that paradigm.

One would lack innovation and creativity while the other would lack a solid foundation and methodology to build from and evolve.


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: teknix]
    #18482834 - 06/28/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

OK, let me mention the occult elite:

on one hand they push scientific materialism, via 'education' the whole caboodle of their cityscape-matrix, and they are trying to push it on the world

on their other hand they push the New Age (think the UN as its headquarters), and these belief says that nature is an illusion, and another is 'you create your own reality': 
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Remember where you came from, where you’re going, and why. You created the mess you got yourself into in the first place… (p. 56). This truism is not simply a metaphor saying your choices are meaningful and the ones you make will have their direct effects on your life.  Rather it implies that whatever is happening to you is directly a result of your choosing to create it.  This creation includes illnesses, traffic accidents, inheritances, random events, what you read in the paper.  But there is a reason for this ability to create reality:

What is going on around you is not reality. The world is not reality, although you can express reality there if you wish (p. 127). The implication is simple: all of life is a form of illusion.  Reality rests only in your consciousness.  How you project it is the only distinguishing element.  If you are sufficiently advanced, all you have to do is change your projection, and you will no longer be limited by your environment.  The idea is basically a return to infantile omnipotence and narcissism, but coated with mystic garb in a monist philosophy.  Phrased in the negative this reads: The New Age Movement


[ironically authored by a Reverend)

What this myth does is divert attention away from the fucker--the occult elite--who are meticulously attempting on BIG mega scale like what happened on 9/11 to create your reality. To create an ongoing myth/matrix that manipulates us!!

In other words they are working on us on two fronts so to speak. Those who are not 'spiritual' will think themselves biological robots living in a meaningless world and universe, and thus are being manipulated, and those that are 'spiritual' and go running to New Age beliefs are also being manipulated as I hope the above reveals!


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: zzripz]
    #18483418 - 06/28/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I find the imagery and repetitive hammering at events so fascinating.  It's a mass delusional schizophrenia with no resolution by anyone.  All are lost in a lost world.  Except perhaps the Illumined Ones.  The bigger the lie the more often it's told the more everyone sort of has to believe it.

An example is the notion that CO2 levels alone from mankind burning fossil fuels has caused all this global warming and climate change.  In spite of getting fully busted for claiming climate scientists unanimously subscribed to that notion, the madness persists.

Of course as usual it's always about the money in this case a carbon tax starting with coal fired power plants and leading to higher utility rates for all.


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #18483425 - 06/28/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Yay
Make/pay more money for the same (if not less) resources.
Yay!


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: ashfiken]
    #18483462 - 06/28/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Yay
Make/pay more money for the same (if not less) resources.
Yay!




Great.  So you are on the same page as Obama.

Now, let's talk about health care. 

Do you smoke?
Do you drink?
Do you do drugs?
Are you sexually active?
Do you shoot smack?
Would you if you could?


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #18483471 - 06/28/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Yes to all things that ruin my body.
No to those that don't.
I'm tryna get all I can from this obamacare! Duh!
I can't wait for cancer , again, yay!


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18493993 - 06/30/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

So OC what is it? Are you talking about materialism in the sense of valuing "stuff" or are you talking about materialism in the much deeper sense that is philosophical materialism?


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Re: The last ever materialist debate thread [Re: soldatheero]
    #18494603 - 06/30/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)


OC never has any idea what he is talking about.:haha:


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