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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Good luck i can't wait to see some success!


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: B_BOY]
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Whatever happens with these master grain jars, however they colonize.  I will plant them in my raised bed.  I don't want these cultures mixing with anything I get from Penn.  They do have a yellow morel culture there that is from 1998, labeled as commercial production.  That culture could be interesting, there is also another culture for yellow morel that is from Penn.  Probably best to get cultures that are either from commercial production or from my geographic area.  Although, commercial production could mean that it's a commercial culture.  I will write them and ask further questions when the time comes near.  If I am going to do 192 jars, I want the cultures to be the best I can get.  Also, I require a large pot to cook grain and sawdust in.  They have good ones at a drug store for about ten bucks.  Looks like something a soup kitchen would use.  I would be very surprised if these grain jars actually fruited outside.  Animals getting into the grain is likely, but I have been dumping the char and unburnt tobacco from my pipe, in this bed.  I get about 12 fluid ounces of this char and tobacco reminents every 3 or 4 days.  I neverhave bugs in my garden.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Soaking 3 cups of rye grass seed, dry measurement.  I want to transfer with a sterile fork some colonized myc into new jars.  I am going to cook the grain this time.  Bought a 20 quart stainless steel pot just for this purpose.  I think the new jars will colonize.  I don't want to spend 4 weeks just to see these two jars not colonize.  Plan is to do a test case or two, maybe more.  I don't know where all to put 16 cases, if its just a test.

I am soaking the grain for 48 hours, perhaps 40 some hours at least.  I'd like to start cooking the grain monday morning.  I will drain the soaked grain, add fresh water then the grain to the pot.  All water is distilled store bought water.  Then after cooking the grain for about 20 minutes (bring to boil then simmer for 20 or 15) I will rinse the grain with a gallon of distilled H2o.  The grain is going to be cooked until I can chew it easily or grains start to burst.

The grain will fill two jars to the 3 cup line.  I will PC with my home made lids, for 1 hour at 15 or 16 psi.  Cool down in the glove box with one sem-productive master grain jar that is semi colonized.  I only need two fork amounts to introduce culture.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I think I am going to give up on rye grass seed.  Probably just grow that where the morels get planted.  I have at least 5 pounds left.  I have a bag of ACE birdseed, looks good.  I risned, drained, scopped floaters and soaked in distilled water.  There are no sunflower seeds in there now, or whatever those black things are.  I hope the mycelium at the top of my rye grass seed is still viable, shall find out!  After reading more I have learned that rye grass seed is difficult to work with.  The problem with the previous run, is that the seed at the bottom formed a cake and the middle to the top dried out.  I have no idea how to solve that or how to prevent anything similar with the birdseed.  I will most likely give the bird seed and the rye grass seed a pc run.  I will cook both and well, wonder if it's more than simple research.  I only have so many ways to prepare a medium.  I will have to cook and jar the different substrates seperately, then pc at the same time.  To bad rye grass seed is so difficult.  I didn't cover the jars with foil, I had only used foil inside as a bi-layer with vermaculite inbetween, in previous research attempts.  Those were pre-fab as part of a kit, because I was a noob...I mean a total cherry.  I had no idea how mushrooms grew, nor how a cannabis plant matured.  It's taken some experiments to find out how nature works, legal or not, I had to know.  This is actually my first history with doing everything from home made stuff.  Thank God I can buy a pressure cooker.

I think bird seed should work.  I am not trying to grow sclerotia yet and I do want to try coffee (liquid).  I have not read much about what people have done and used for morls.  I have read a lot, but, it's not enough.  Thank the shroom lords that I am buying cheap cultures to work with.  Penn state is not at all a cheap inquiry.  I have all winter to experiment on tech.  I think I will need it.  I think I have to learn whether sclerotia grows mycelium after dormancy, I would think it does but nobody is talking to me!


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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http://www.thefarm.org/mushroom/morel.html

This is my basic source of info for wanting to grow morels.  They leave a ton of information out. 

I am starting to strongly dislike rye grass seed.  I lost a lot of seed, just scooping off floaters!  I have enough to fill up two jars about half way each.  I am not sure why the bottom of my initial jars where so soaked.  I have no clue why.  I would doubt I soaked to long, as 24 hours without cooking is almost nothing.  Perhaps it is due to failing to scoop floaters.  There is about 1/3 to 1/2 floaters.  Nature is weird.  Sometimes it's the seeds that sink that are good, sometimes it's the floaters.  depends on which plant it is and I do not know rye grass very well.  I would love to plant these seeds.  Sow them actually.  When I let them grow tall through the fall, for cover for the morels, I will produce something else that mushrooms enjoy to combat over.

I am really startin to learn why people do what they do in techs.  I usually must find my own errors, to understand just all why things are done, the way they are done.  That is why I avoid chemistry, or the military....police and other hazardous professions.

In this above tech, in the link.  They show the master spawn having 1/5 soil.  This is unusual in the standard realm of growing mushrooms.  I suppose I could try that if all else fails.  I have yet to learn the purpose of using soil or compost for such an event.

They also grow sclerotia in their master spawn, within this tech.  I fail to see the purpose, in growing nuggets.  I know the purpose when it comes to a final substrate that will be planed, which is survival and fruiting..............so I believe.

Good thing I have years ahead of me...........so I believe.  There are many things to experiment with.  I have seen someone grow a jar with soil and sawdust.  Bird seed is cheap so I think that wuold be good.  I want strong healthy mycelium, yet soil showed some good pics.  Just thought that strait grain would be more potent, to introduce culture into final jars....where in scleriota growth is importan...........so I believe.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Thought about the use of potting soil.  I have a local compost that I use as potting soil.  I think this is the only way to employ rye grass seed.  I will give it a shot.  1 jar with 4 parts rye grass seed, 1 part compost.  Then 2 jars, one birdseed, one 4 parts bird seed 1 part compost.  So total of 3 jars, 2 having 1/5 birdseed.  I won't tap the jar on the counter either.  I did that before to level out the medium and it just compacts.

I think of the soil as a balance for moisture.  Always thought of it as a filler, but it could serve a useful purpose.


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Edited by Morel Guy (06/30/13 06:17 AM)

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Cooking the rye grass seed now.  Got the birdseed cooked nd jarred.  One jar was a mixture of 1 part compost (1 cup) 4 parts cooked, rinsed twice, and drained well, birdseed (4 cups) .  Used 3 cups of this mixture, which has 2 Tbs liquid coffee.  The coffe is from a pot of five cups water, one Tsp dried coffee.  Both birdseed jars look nice, I hope the rye grass seed/compost comes out nice.  The rye grass see/compost will be the same ratio as the birdseed/compost.  Will pc soon, then cool down in the glove box (once the pc is cool enough to open).  Will do 60 minutes at 16 psi (I seem to always go one psi over and stay there).


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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PC has 20 mins left.  I placed the master grain jar into the clean glovebox.  I don't use the fan, but anyways this jar formed a crack in the lid as well.  I have noticed that these lids are not worth the price.  They crack from the ge port, in the direction of the injection port.  My home lids have only failed once.  It was from pulling the needle out, without holding the silicon down with two fingers.  I hope the pc run works well.  I get a little concerned, about what is in the jars below the pc water line.  It always cooks more there.  Perhaps a layer of sand could solve that and allow sclerotia to form, within that layer?


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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The transfers are complete.  A healthy amount of myc is in each jar.  I just hop that the myc didn't dry out to much.  Maybe things will get some moisture.  The new jars look real good.  Kept the master grain jar used, just put the lid back on to see what grows.  Over all, I'd say there is a shot at seeing a test run suceed.  Probably just two cases if things work with this phase.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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hell yeah, good luck man


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: B_BOY]
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Seeing good signs in the jars. The rye grass seedthat was transfered, is noticably white & fuzzy!  The rye grass seed w/compost, appears to be colonizing faster.  The strait birdseed jar, appears to be the slowest, and least progressive.  It is early, so in time I will find what works best (confirm or deny really).

I really enjoy working with morel myc, it's forgiving so far...lol


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I believe this is a sclerotium forming.  The grain is not colonizing very well, but it is moving along.  My phone takes ugly pics and the lighting is poor today.  Otherwise, I would post pics of the compost jars and birdseed jar.

The jar pictured, is the rye grass seed jar I shook.  I have had a hard time breaking up all of the jars.  There is usually one big clump in every jar.  I plan on using a sterile fork to scoop.  It's just an experiment at this point.  The jar I did not shake does not appear to have a single sclerotium.


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Edited by Morel Guy (07/04/13 07:56 AM)

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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sometimes if i have a stubborn jar, that wont shake and i still want to use it as spawn, i will sanitize or flame sterilize my scalpel and break it apart enough to get through the jar and then smash it with my gloved hand. I imagine a good spoon would work well too.

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: deadmandave]
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The plan at this point is to use an auger to drill holes in the ground.  A hole for each quart jar, then just scoop out the fat little nuggets....and wait.  So I don't really require cakes, or I should of purchases smaller jars that the cakes can just slide out.  Was going for yield.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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either way will probably work. May want to add a few bits of morel food like ashes at the inoculation point or spread around the area.

also you might consider using the grains to make sawdust spawn as it will be less likely eaten and carried away by insects and other small critters.

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: deadmandave]
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deadmandave said:
also you might consider using the grains to make sawdust spawn as it will be less likely eaten and carried away by insects and other small critters.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: fortheloveofnature]
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The final spawn where sclerotia are key, will be more than 25% sawdust.  There will be some birdseed, but this is all experimental at this point.  So far the myc loves the compost, those jars are colonizing quickly.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Colonizing for 9 days.







First pic is the rye grass seed compost jar.  It's mostly showing the white top, the jar is below the three cups line.

Last two pics are the compost and birdseed jar, same jar in both pics.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Just some observations, today is the 2 week mark.  Birdseed/compost is doing the best.  A little early to say 100% colonized.  I see growth starting at the bottom, once this gets thicker, the jar is 100%.  The rye grass seed jar is colonzing well, in second place.  Birdseed with no compost is the slowest.  The strait birdseed and the rye grass seed/compost have some areas that are thick.  Birdseed compost has colonized with a better consistency.

I find that birdseed compost wins.  Sclerotium have no purpose that I am aware of, for a master spawn.  Just looking for good myc, that will colonize final substrate meant for forming sclerotia.

Over all I am pleased.  Looking forward to the next phase of testing.  Sure hope to get some spore prints off of this culture, in the spring!


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Smells something like pizza, when I open the plastic storage bin that these jars are in.  I have no clue what morels or the myc smell like.  It's some sort of funky spice smell, but more like pizza(herbs and such).

Strange?


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