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CrabbyAss
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#1813303 - 08/14/03 11:34 AM (23 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

[Re: CrabbyAss]
#1813395 - 08/14/03 12:02 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

i'd like to hear some more opinions on that.

i've heard plenty good and very little bad about tyvek. and i've read plenty bad and very little good about bandaids. interesting.

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1813580 - 08/14/03 12:51 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

i never heard anything about bandaids....i think thats a good idea.

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Tomandjerry58
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1813623 - 08/14/03 01:03 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

i cooked up some jars the other day first time with grains. useing paids no pressure cooker tek. used tyvek envelopes and i smelled the grain cooking so if it wan't breatheable then how did i i smell it?

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CrabbyAss
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1813883 - 08/14/03 02:23 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

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shakta
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

[Re: CrabbyAss]
#1813944 - 08/14/03 02:42 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

Polyfill works just great for me.

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Tomandjerry58
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1813954 - 08/14/03 02:44 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

it's my first time using filters i ve used upside down lids with grains and that worked too.hell maybe ill try a bandaid next time. but its the first time ive heard of this and ive heard tyvek being used hundreds of times. but wouldn't the gas from the mycelium push air out of the jars which would also inturn create a sunction which would pull air in. i don't want too much air getting in there. the spores germinated in two days so it must be getting some kind of air. i want to get some of those filter dics from mickron i had been waiting untill customer service got back.

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deanofmean
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814245 - 08/14/03 03:57 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

go read some faqs, and grologs CrabbyAss
some of the best growers on these boards use Tyvek .
polyfil does not wick . it is made of plastic .
bandaids work, but are the least breathable of all three . :razz:

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OJK
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814308 - 08/14/03 04:17 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

No, he's making a very good point... I have to peices of material both claiming to be "tyvek", one from a breathable boiler suit that I can easily breath through, and one from a tyvek envelope that I can't breathe through. There surely must be a difference between the two?

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deanofmean
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814362 - 08/14/03 04:40 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

Odiumjunkie said:

No, he's making a very good point... I have to peices of material both claiming to be "tyvek", one from a breathable boiler suit that I can easily breath through, and one from a tyvek envelope that I can't breathe through. There surely must be a difference between the two?

(Sigh) both are brethable, so which do you think is a better filter .
hint, try brething through a bandaid .

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814425 - 08/14/03 04:59 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

I just did 20 PF jars...10 with Myco Supply's filter disk's, which are very breathable and cloth-like and probably cheaper than buying a tyvek suit.

The other 10 were done with tyvek from the post office (I only bought 10 filter disk's) and there was no noticeable difference in growth.

A little air exchange is all that is necessary. And incubating mycellium needs to have a high amount of C02 to reach it's potential.

How much air exchange do you think there is in a cow's stomach, or under a patty???

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Tomandjerry58
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814437 - 08/14/03 05:05 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

why would you use filters with pf jars?

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GoodOlBattonAss
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814459 - 08/14/03 05:09 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

1. Air exchange...PF jars colonize much faster with ample air exchange, for the same reasons grains do.

2. I get much less contams now that I use filters.

3. I Find it much easier to innoculate than the traditional PF tek.

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814496 - 08/14/03 05:22 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

whats your run time on your jars with the filter discs?im runnin from 20 to 25 days with inverted lids. 1 out of 15 with contams.

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814773 - 08/14/03 06:33 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

Growth within 2 days...Full colonization in no more than 2 weeks. Sometimes a quick as 9 days with creeper, that strain amazes me.

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814796 - 08/14/03 06:39 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

sounds like its worth trying:)just started some of those creepers last weekend.

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CrabbyAss
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#1814841 - 08/14/03 06:55 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

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deanofmean
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

[Re: CrabbyAss]
#1814861 - 08/14/03 07:03 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

CrabbyAss said:

Most tyvek isn't breathable. Such as the tyvek shipping envelopes found at post offices. Most house tyvek at home depot isn't breathable either.. Dont use that crap.

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814896 - 08/14/03 07:14 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

I inject right through the tyvek and use the plastic lids with a hole cut in the top. If you inject right next to the lip of the jar the lid seals the hole.

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BatFly
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814899 - 08/14/03 07:15 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

if you use a method that works, then keep with it. if it aint broke, don't fix it. or try all of them, and see which works for yourself. obviously (hehe, i'm captain obvious) they all work. and everyone has there own favorite. so acknowledge they all work, try them out, find one you like and there you go! no need to get all up in people's faces about it. (although it can be pretty funny!) plus, opinons are like assholes, everyone has one, but only shit comes from them, and nobody wants to hear them.

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CrabbyAss
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#1814912 - 08/14/03 07:18 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

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Tomandjerry58
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1814940 - 08/14/03 07:25 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

ok let me pull this bloody bandaid from my knee and breathe threw it.hey i wonder if a tampon would work? :razz:

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deanofmean
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1815049 - 08/14/03 08:01 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

incorrect. Tyvek envelopes are breathable . you can't blow through it easily . so what, is that all the testing you have done ? :razz:

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Tyvek paper is a breathable 'vapor' barrier .

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Psilocybin_monkey
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#1815289 - 08/14/03 09:24 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1815626 - 08/14/03 11:56 PM (23 years, 11 days ago)

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong! This is just loads of bad information! If tyvek envelopes are not breathable, then why does my substrate tend to dry out when I use tyvek envelopes? If anything, tyvek is more breathable than polyfill. Look up tyvek on duponts website. It is a breathable material. Regardless of what it is manufactured into. Tyvek suits might be more breathable, but my jars need very little air exchange anyway. Have you ever tried growing in a jar without air exchange? They stall. End of story. You need air exchange to full colonize a jar. How then could dozens of long time growers be wrong about tyvek envelopes? This is bullshit!

Oh, and do a search for bandaids in the forums. Others have tried them and found a HIGHER CONTAMINATION rate than polyfill or tyvek.

And polyfill is plastic, It doesn't wick contams! Tons of people use polyfill no problem.

This is just stupid.

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GregHimself
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1815652 - 08/15/03 12:06 AM (23 years, 11 days ago)

From what my FOAF has done, he never uses any type of filter, just cracks the lids a bit with the lids upsidedown and leaves the tinfoil over the jars, then innocs through the tinfoil and puts medical style fabric tape over the innoc hole...24 pint corn jars....not one contamed with full colonization in under 2 weeks

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Demiurge
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1815665 - 08/15/03 12:10 AM (23 years, 11 days ago)

Medical style fabric tape has been known to work well. It's tried and true. Not band-aids though.

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1815710 - 08/15/03 12:30 AM (23 years, 11 days ago)

lol band aids thats funny

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OJK
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1816175 - 08/15/03 05:27 AM (23 years, 10 days ago)

The reason I was asking about different types of tyvek is that I'm using it to cover the abnormally large exhaust holes in my terrarium, so I think that the more breathable boilersuit tyvek will be better, as in a terrarium a large amount of air exchange is necessary.

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CrabbyAss
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#1816340 - 08/15/03 08:13 AM (23 years, 10 days ago)

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shakta
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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1816413 - 08/15/03 08:50 AM (23 years, 10 days ago)

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Some of you people are crazy.

IF You can colonize a drinking glass with aluminum foil over it, It's a no brainer you can colonize with a ramsel seal lid with a hole, and a bandaid.

If you say so. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

I am sure it is working for you, but that doesn't mean it is the end all be all of methods. Different things work for different people.

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The grain in your jars is going to decompose. Everything organic will decompose sitting in water. Tyvek envelopes let out little, if any, water vapor. especially through a 3 cm hole cover with aluminum foil.
I am 100% positive that experienced grain growers have experienced soggy sour decomposing jars using tyvek envelopes.

This is BS. You ignored the question already brought up. If Tyvek doesn't breathe, why do jars dry out if too much surface area is exposed. Furthermore your grains should not be sitting in water. If they are, they are to wet. Most people don't cover filtered jars with foil either.

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as grain decomposes, it needs to release the extra water, or it will sit at the bottom causing the rest of the jar to decompose. By slapping a sterile bandaid over the hole, and not putting aluminum foil over it, your jars will let out more moisture and air exchange, preventing that sour smell.

Again, if you have a problem with this your grain is to wet. Personally as cheap as polyfill is and as good as it works, I don't see why anyone would use anything else that costs money. To each his own.

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1816674 - 08/15/03 11:06 AM (23 years, 10 days ago)

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Personally as cheap as polyfill is and as good as it works, I don't see why anyone would use anything else

Agreed.

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1816983 - 08/15/03 12:53 PM (23 years, 10 days ago)

Another vote for polyfill.

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1816996 - 08/15/03 12:55 PM (23 years, 10 days ago)

Oh and there is a big difference between colonizing a pf jar with tinfoil over it and colonizing a jar of grain. Grain contaminates a lot more easily. Others in the past have experimented with bandaids and claim that they contam more easily than polyfill or tyvek, but yes the jar will usually colonize fine.

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1817738 - 08/15/03 04:42 PM (23 years, 10 days ago)

It's all gravy

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1818445 - 08/15/03 10:09 PM (23 years, 10 days ago)

I miss anno and roadkill...this post prolly would've gotten maybe 2 replies before one of them shot it down...

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Re: Trouble with polyfill or tyvek?

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#1822606 - 08/17/03 12:17 PM (23 years, 8 days ago)

Good times, good times :lol:

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