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How hard is nutmeg on the liver?
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How does the liver toxicity of nutmeg compare to alcohol?Except for those retarded parent awareness articles i can't find any solid information.


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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: TheShroomingAtheis]
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Also i must add that the effects of nutmeg are amazing and most of the rumor is by the same kids who try to smoke mushrooms for a high....


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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: TheShroomingAtheis]
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Have fun eating that nutmeg.  I mean, it's only been used as a torture device by prison guards.


Whatever floats you boat man.


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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: TheShroomingAtheis]
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I can't really give you numbers or anything, but I know when I took nutmeg as a stupid teenager my liver or kidney was hurting like a motherfucker for days.


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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: circularvortex]
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I'm running to the store to get some eggnog  :trippinbawelz:

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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: amilibertine]
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amilibertine said:
Have fun eating that nutmeg.  I mean, it's only been used as a torture device by prison guards.


Whatever floats you boat man.



It's a lot better than what you think it is..


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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: TheShroomingAtheis]
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Toxicological evaluation of myristicin
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.ezproxy.library.ubc.ca/doi/10.1002/19970505NT3/abstract

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Several intoxications have been reported after an ingestion of approximately 5 g of nutmeg...No information is available, however, concerning the quantitative importance of the different metabolic pathways. The acute toxicity of myristicin appears to be low. No toxic effects were observed in rats administered myristicin perorally at a dose of 10 mg/kg b.w., while 6–7 mg/kg b.w. may be enough to cause psychopharmacological effects in man ... Based on available data, it seems unlikely that the intake of myristicin from essential oils and spices in food, estimated to a few mg per person and day in this report, would cause adverse effects in humans. It is, however, at present not possible to make a complete risk assessment, as studies regarding genotoxicity and chronic toxicity, including reproductive toxicity and carcinogenicity, are still lacking.



Quote:
The excretion of 14-C-labeled myristicin has been studied
in rats and mice [Casida et al., 1966; Kamienski and
Casida,1970; Peele, 1976]. In both species the excretion was
rapid, as it was nearly completed within 48 hours ... In rats, very little retention of myristicin was observed in the tissues, after 48 hours [Peele, 1976]. Of
the radioactivity remaining in the tissues half of the activity
was localized in the liver [Peele, 1976]. No information is
available regarding kinetics or metabolism of myristicin in
humans



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Subacute/subchronic toxicity
Twelve white rats (strain not mentioned) were administered
10 mg/kg b.w. of myristicin daily in the food for 26
days. There were no differences in body weights between the
animals receiving myristicin and a control goup. Histological
studies of livers/kidneys showed no abnormalities that
could be attributed to myristicin.



Nutmeg poisoning
http://jama.jamanetwork.com.ezproxy.library.ubc.ca/article.aspx?articleid=327016

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One of the earliest cases of nutmeg poisoning
was recorded by de Lobel in 1576.1 In 1832 Purkinje
2 dramatically illustrated the toxic effect of this
kernel by consuming three nutmegs, producing a
narcosis which progressed to stupor. In 1903 Wallace,
3 in a review of cases of nutmeg poisoning, reported
25 from the world literature. Although one
of the patients concerned died,4 the remaining 24
recovered promptly without residual effects ... only limited observation of
nutmeg poisoning is available.



Quote:
On the basis of the experimental work on cats
by Wallace, Dale, and Jurss it appeared that fatty
degeneration of the liver was the end-result of toxic
doses of the volatile oil or its derivative myristicin.
However, in the case reported here serial studies
of hepatic function as well as biopsy of tissue from
the liver revealed no evidence of damage to that
structure.



Quote:
The toxic factor of nutmeg is known to be myristicin,
a constituent of the volatile oil of nutmeg.
Nutmeg in doses of 5 Gm. or more produces a
marked depressive action on the central nervous
system, as well as a less prominent stimulating effect.
The clinical course may be severe, with coma,
shock, and acidosis as its main features.



In summary:
Not much is known about chronic intentional dosage. Most people are fine after acute dosage. Toxic effects become more likely as dosage increases. Your dosing schedule should be advised by the knowledge that nutmeg can take at least two days to clear the body.


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Edited by fiddle (12/23/12 12:45 PM)

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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: TheShroomingAtheis]
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Ya I took about 20 grams as a teenager and got pretty high. It was very much like a mild cannabis high, I'd definately do it again one maybe.

I never felt any sort of pain at all though


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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: mapleleafmarijuana]
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can you get high by eating the nutmeg used for cooking or does it have to be raw?


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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: Mafeki]
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Man, you got to be pretty desperate for a buzz to go with nutmeg, don't you?


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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: mpd]
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it's just been a question I've wondered forever, from what i've heard is either nutmeg can't really get you high or it's a terrible experience.


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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: Mafeki]
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Even though I don't take Nutmeg, it still has psychedelic properties.

People need to stop labeling drugs as childish unless you are going to label them all that way.

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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: mpd]
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Mafeki said:
can you get high by eating the nutmeg used for cooking or does it have to be raw?




Either or. The stuff I used was ground up and over 10 years old

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mpd said:
Man, you got to be pretty desperate for a buzz to go with nutmeg, don't you?




How so? I had a enjoyable 5 hour high that was free from a spice that wouldve been thrown out because no one used it. Do you also consider dxm a desperate high? I'm a curious guy,  I wanted to see if I could or not. I could


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stay black cocksucker, thats the most important thing - joey coco diaz
Flesh is Weak. All Hail the Machine God!

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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: mapleleafmarijuana]
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mapleleafmarijuana said:
Mafeki said:
can you get high by eating the nutmeg used for cooking or does it have to be raw?




Either or. The stuff I used was ground up and over 10 years old

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mpd said:
Man, you got to be pretty desperate for a buzz to go with nutmeg, don't you?




How so? I had a enjoyable 5 hour high that was free from a spice that wouldve been thrown out because no one used it. Do you also consider dxm a desperate high? I'm a curious guy,  I wanted to see if I could or not. I could



A lot of people do, yes.. Me included.

For what it's worth, I'm kinda curious (and I'm 27, growing my own mushrooms and have access to plenty of other 'real drugs'). I mean I'd heard about it before, but I found out as a kid that all those 'legal highs' never really work, so I just assumed nutmeg (and salvia) would be no different. I later obtained salvia and found out it was far from fake... So I have to wonder about this, too.

I kinda doubt I'd get around to trying it.. My body isn't as resilient as it was when I was younger, so I'm not as cavalier about what I try.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

Edited by Shroomslip (12/23/12 06:16 PM)

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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said:
A lot of people do, yes.. Me included.

For what it's worth, I'm kinda curious (and I'm 27, growing my own mushrooms and have access to plenty of other 'real drugs'). I mean I'd heard about it before, but I found out as a kid that all those 'legal highs' never really work, so I just assumed nutmeg (and salvia) would be no different. I later obtained salvia and found out it was far from fake... So I have to wonder about this, too.

I kinda doubt I'd get around to trying it.. My body isn't as resilient as it was when I was younger, so I'm not as cavalier about what I try.




  I'm 22, might be currently growing some fungi, am a federally legal med patient in canada with a 40 gram a day, yeah a day prescription meaning i can have many many plants, which i do on top of a good connect with all sorts of real drugs.
  sorry to be a bitch and cocksize but i think you were trying to infer something and i'm having self security/esteem issues right now, so i'm retaliating to negative comments real and imaginary. sorry
 

i would recommend a large dose of dxm (extracted! unless you like cough syrup). it's a amazingly self analyzing drug and very unique, it's unlike ketamine or mxe or any other dissociative. it always gives me a pleasant 1 or 2 day afterglow as well.
when i grew up, the only legal drugs i heard of were cough syrup, salvia, nitrous,tylenol 1(in canada you can buy codeine over the counter, when i first did it i was 16),nutmeg and a few others. But by that time there were sites like erowid and just google search in general so when we did stupid shit like try things from the Anarchists Cookbook you could just look up things like smoking banana skin and see what was legit.

and dude c'mon 27 is young, take care of yourself if you feel old.


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stay black cocksucker, thats the most important thing - joey coco diaz
Flesh is Weak. All Hail the Machine God!

Edited by mapleleafmarijuana (12/23/12 07:15 PM)

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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: mapleleafmarijuana]
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The effects of nutmeg are really nice to tell the truth. A long lasting cannabis high with a slight psychedelic edge :thumbup:  . If you cant tolerate the taste then you should progress no further to the psychedelic world.Those things have their downsides.And fo gods sake, which drug tastes good? The only problem i have with the nutmeg is the supposedly high liver toxicity...
Oh, and those who want a more trippy high mix it with 5 grams german chamomile when the effects kick in. There is something Like a maoi inhibitor  in the chamomile that makes the molecular structure effects of myristicin and other related chemicals in the nut more like mescaline.A great spice for those boring days..


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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: TheShroomingAtheis]
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I was saying that even though I have plenty of other stuff available I'm still curious, meaning I don't really look at this as a 'desperate high'.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said:
I was saying that even though I have plenty of other stuff available I'm still curious, meaning I don't really look at this as a 'desperate high'.



People who say certain highs are "desperate" are willfully ignorant.

A high is a high, doesn't matter where it comes from.

Does that mean I support all drugs, heavens no.

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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: YSHServant]
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I guess that's a better way to put it and more specific to how I feel. When it comes to DXM I'm biased because I have a rough history with it.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: How hard is nutmeg on the liver? [Re: Shroomslip]
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I'm not a fan of DXM or nutmeg personally, doesn't have anything to do with their availability in either case. I found nutmeg to be a bit like weed but not in a good way, sort of like the buzz from old stale weed. It's undeniably a buzz but I didn't find it pleasant personally.

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