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shrooms bad for liver?
    #1994903 - 10/09/03 08:54 PM (17 years, 17 days ago)

i remember hearing that shrooms were very bad for your liver...to the affect of 200 beers worth of damage. i don't know if that figure is a correct one but does anybody know if this is true and if so, exactly how bad are shrooms for your liver?


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: TODAY]
    #1994996 - 10/09/03 09:14 PM (17 years, 17 days ago)

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i remember hearing that shrooms were very bad for your liver...to the affect of 200 beers worth of damage. i don't know if that figure is a correct one but does anybody know if this is true and if so, exactly how bad are shrooms for your liver?




Thats a lie. Shrooms are not bad for your body at all. where did you hear that anyways?


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: barfightlard]
    #1995023 - 10/09/03 09:19 PM (17 years, 17 days ago)

if theyre toxic shrooms theyll damage your liver, psilocybe cubensis are not toxic though.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: TODAY]
    #1995061 - 10/09/03 09:28 PM (17 years, 17 days ago)

Shrooms have not been shown to have any liver toxicity.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: barfightlard]
    #1995081 - 10/09/03 09:31 PM (17 years, 17 days ago)

Although i have never heard that before, this thread caught my attention because i have felt lower middle back pain (like a dull ache) from shrooms. I have had the same pain from hard alcohol.
Anyone else had this problem?


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: ]
    #1995257 - 10/09/03 10:11 PM (17 years, 17 days ago)

well thanks all, i hope it isn't bad i just heard this from a friend a few years ago and just remembered it now.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: TODAY]
    #1995680 - 10/10/03 12:26 AM (17 years, 17 days ago)

After my friend did shrooms, the next day his mom commented on his "yellow eyes". Then his dad said " uh oh, that means somethings wrong with your liver..."
yea i dunno.

hey does anyone else get a strange feeling on their eyes after shrooms? Like they are too dry or somehting?


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: manna_man]
    #1995912 - 10/10/03 02:07 AM (17 years, 17 days ago)

dont listen to everything all your friends say. my one friend said every time you do acid you have a 50/50 chance of going insane. i laughed at her quite hard.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #1996048 - 10/10/03 03:06 AM (17 years, 17 days ago)

the reason that shrooms are legal in the netherlands (holland) is because the DUTCH HEALTH DEPARTMENT found that 'magic mushrooms taken by adults in measured doses has no adverse health effects'

these lies that are propogated by the anti drug nazis fucking piss me off....it's like the "1 joint contains the cancer of 100 cigarettes" crap......ok i've banged my drum.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: Hanky]
    #2004315 - 10/13/03 02:04 AM (17 years, 14 days ago)

what's not legal in holland?
I do sometimes feel some slight pain in the kidney's sometimes after eating shrooms (somewhere near the landing), but the active substances are poisonous of course, usually I don't notice my body getting rid of the chemicals, also, the trip itself might intensify the pain.
Well, just bite trough the sour apple :wink:

We would need about 30 KG of fresh mushrooms to OD (something like that)


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: DrugFriend]
    #2004346 - 10/13/03 02:18 AM (17 years, 14 days ago)

I've heard shrooms are bad for the liver... especially when I was a young 'un tripping my first few times.

I've heard toxic shrooms are bad for the liver but I don't know this to be fact. I do know toxic shrooms are toxic.

I think these rumors are a mix of four things:

1: Anti drug propaganda

2: Stories of people accidentally picking and selling poisonous shrooms to unsuspecting trippers (mostly propoganda but I bet it has happened before. It certainly could happen.)

3: People selling shrooms from contaminated cakes (The only way a Cube could be toxic... well you could lace it with arcenic... :tongue:)

4: Misinformation (Very few people know much about mycology... Who's heard that the shiny, gold stuff that you find on some shrooms means they are very potent? I have.)


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: Rose]
    #2004689 - 10/13/03 08:55 AM (17 years, 13 days ago)

i was stabbed in the liver a year and a half ago and had my liver checked for those reasons and had no problems,
shroomtool your liver is on the front right side of your torso,when your liver is fucked it feels like a baseball right where you get a stitch,i'd say you have lower back strain :wink:


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: TODAY]
    #2004693 - 10/13/03 09:00 AM (17 years, 13 days ago)

i remember hearing that shrooms were very bad for your liver

only if you eat the wrong kind.

to the affect of 200 beers worth of damage.

any time you hear something that sounds like that, it's probably a myth.

exactly how bad are shrooms for your liver?

as far as i know, not at all.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: DrugFriend]
    #2004890 - 10/13/03 11:17 AM (17 years, 13 days ago)

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what's not legal in holland?




Hard drugs, drugs actually harmful to the body... :grin:
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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: manna_man]
    #2005017 - 10/13/03 12:18 PM (17 years, 13 days ago)

"After my friend did shrooms, the next day his mom commented on his "yellow eyes". Then his dad said " uh oh, that means somethings wrong with your liver..."
yea i dunno."

Well, yes, that can mean a liver problem, but it would not have been caused by the mushrooms.

If your friend actually was turning yellow in the eyes, or his skin, or under his fingernails he should have been taken to the doctor immediately. If they didn't do that, they must have been shitty parents, or just fucking with him.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: Phluck]
    #2006186 - 10/13/03 07:49 PM (17 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2006464 - 10/13/03 09:22 PM (17 years, 13 days ago)

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what's not legal in holland?




Hard drugs, drugs actually harmful to the body... :grin:
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"Hard drugs" is the most retarded term ever.
Heroin, the ultimate "hard drug" causes no damage whatsoever.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: zeta]
    #2006516 - 10/13/03 09:38 PM (17 years, 13 days ago)

ive heard that shrooms have a body toxcity of 600 while asprin is 200 i looked for reseacrh on that but found no evidence of that as far as i know they casue no harm except they can bring out an underlying mental illness. pilsocybn is a poison no poison is good for you


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: JuggernautJack]
    #2006638 - 10/13/03 10:15 PM (17 years, 13 days ago)

Yeah i have heard talk of a toxicity level chart and salt was way way higher on the list then mushrooms, but i think this was on psiolicin/psilocybin itself and not actual fruitbodies.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: baraka]
    #2007413 - 10/14/03 02:56 AM (17 years, 13 days ago)

*"Hard drugs" is the most retarded term ever.
*Heroin, the ultimate "hard drug" causes no damage whatsoever.

Unless you overdose, use an old needle, inject an air bubble or spend all your money and resort to theft for your next fix.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: zeta]
    #2007525 - 10/14/03 03:38 AM (17 years, 13 days ago)

Hard drugs isn't the most retarded term ever. IMO it's better to make a difference between weed and heroin than to make no difference at all.

The dutch government didn't make this difference because hard drugs are harmfullto the body, but because they are they have unacceptable consequences for users and society. I don't agree with that, but I think it's better than just calling all drugs bad.

I wrote this in another thread to explain the dutch drugs law:
"In Holland we have 2 opium acts. The first is for Hard Drugs and the second for Soft Drugs. Only cannabis products fall under Soft Drugs(list 2). Buying, selling, possessing and growing of Soft and Hard drugs is illegal. Using Hard and Soft drugs is legal, even for minors! Using drugs isn't illegal so that people don't need to be scared to search for help(heroin, crack, cocaine addicts).

The dutch government tolerates small production(5plants pp), possession(5g) and selling(only coffeeshops/max 5g pp) of Soft Drugs(Cannabis products). Tolerating is "legal" but i'm not able to explain that part of the dutch law in English.

Smart Drugs/Eco Drugs (Mushrooms, Salvia, LSA seeds, San Pedro, Peyote and Ayahuasca) are totally legal! Psilocybin falls under the first opium act but judges in Holland say that natural plants containing Psilocybin aren't illegal because blablabla . They interpret the law in a good manner . But sometimes a judge has some american blood in his veins and says that it is illegal to grow enormous amounts of mushrooms It's all about how judges interpret the dutch law. But nearly nobody is accusing mushroom growers/sellers etc so that's nice."





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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: Rose]
    #2007527 - 10/14/03 03:38 AM (17 years, 13 days ago)

i have experienced lower back pain following mushrooms experiences, but have noticed the same effect from LDS. i beleive it to by stress [physical] caused by prolonged muscle tension. i also get the exact same pain from sitting in my computer chair [wich gves no real lmbar suport] for prolonged periods.

i had an aquaitance die following a "mushroom experience" where he had consumed a deadly, amatoxin containing species allong with what where either a psilocybian mushroom species, or a psychadellic like LSD.
there where no specimens left to be examined and i do not believe the source from wich he obtained them was ever discovered.

his friends and family [who had been in contact with the medical personel treating him] seemed to be under the impression that it was symptomatic of the psilocybian mushrooms themselves. this example illustrates tat the miss information is widespread. it is; nonetheless, simple missinformation.


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: canid]
    #2007727 - 10/14/03 07:50 AM (17 years, 12 days ago)

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i have experienced lower back pain following mushrooms experiences, but have noticed the same effect from LDS.




I find mormons to be more of a headache or pain in my butt than in my back :smile:


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: TODAY]
    #26589443 - 04/09/20 07:35 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

The toxicity of psilocybin is low. In rats, the median lethal dose (LD50) when administered orally is 280 milligrams per kilogram (mg/kg), approximately one and a half times that of caffeine. When administered intravenously in rabbits, psilocybin's LD50 is approximately 12.5 mg/kg.[49] Psilocybin comprises approximately 1% of the weight of Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms, and so nearly 1.7 kilograms (3.7 lb) of dried mushrooms, or 17 kilograms (37 lb) of fresh mushrooms, would be required for a 60-kilogram (130 lb) person to reach the 280 mg/kg LD50 value of rats.[6] Based on the results of animal studies, the lethal dose of psilocybin has been extrapolated to be 6 grams, 1000 times greater than the effective dose of 6 milligrams.[50] The Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances assigns psilocybin a relatively high therapeutic index of 641 (higher values correspond to a better safety profile); for comparison, the therapeutic indices of aspirin and nicotine are 199 and 21, respectively.[51] The lethal dose from psilocybin toxicity alone is unknown at recreational or medicinal levels, and has rarely been documented—as of 2011, only two cases attributed to overdosing on hallucinogenic mushrooms (without concurrent use of other drugs) have been reported in the scientific literature and may involve other factors aside from psilocybin. -- From wikipedia


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Re: shrooms bad for liver? [Re: Rose]
    #26589566 - 04/09/20 08:37 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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I've heard shrooms are bad for the liver... especially when I was a young 'un tripping my first few times.

I've heard toxic shrooms are bad for the liver but I don't know this to be fact. I do know toxic shrooms are toxic.

I think these rumors are a mix of four things:

1: Anti drug propaganda

2: Stories of people accidentally picking and selling poisonous shrooms to unsuspecting trippers (mostly propoganda but I bet it has happened before. It certainly could happen.)

3: People selling shrooms from contaminated cakes (The only way a Cube could be toxic... well you could lace it with arcenic... :tongue:)

4: Misinformation (Very few people know much about mycology... Who's heard that the shiny, gold stuff that you find on some shrooms means they are very potent? I have.)




Can you please explain how eating a shroom off a contaminated cake would make it toxic? I've eaten plenty of them off of contaminated cakes and out of bulk tubs and never had an issue.  My understanding is that the myc pulls nutes from the substrate and sends it upwards to make a shroom.  There is no biological reason that fungi would take something besides it's food into itself. Therefore, a shroom doesn't pull toxins into itself and won't be toxic

My grandma had a rule about mold and things like that.  Mold, spores, and fungi are on everything in the world and if there isn't enough on your food to see it, then there isn't enough to hurt you... This was usually said as she was cutting mold off of cheese or scraping it out of the jelly jar before serving it to me and I never had any problems due to living that way.


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