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 Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on?  [Re: Innvertigo]
#1666689 - 06/27/03 05:19 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Because the truth is that by owning a gun you have much bigger chance to be shot so it reduces your security. Such statements just manipulate with peoples fears.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: zeronio]
#1666692 - 06/27/03 05:21 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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wow, now that's manipulative rhetoric.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1666728 - 06/27/03 05:58 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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tell that to a black man walking down the street holding a gun. mmmm cop suicide.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1666729 - 06/27/03 06:05 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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tell that to a black man walking down the street holding a gun. mmmm cop suicide.
do you even have an clue of what you're talking aboot?
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1666773 - 06/27/03 07:28 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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let me break it down for you.
you say that people use guns to ensure security, zeronio said that by owning a gun "you have much bigger chance to be shot so it reduces your security"
i proposed a hypothetical situation:
what if a black man was walking down wall street with a gun, would he be more or less safe? the answer? a cop would shoot him dead on sight. no questions asked.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1666782 - 06/27/03 07:42 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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And i'll repeat:
do you even have an clue of what you're talking aboot?
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: zeronio]
#1666784 - 06/27/03 07:44 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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zeronio said:
Because the truth is that by owning a gun you have much bigger chance to be shot so it reduces your security. Such statements just manipulate with peoples fears.
Actually that has been shown time and time again to be false.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1666787 - 06/27/03 07:47 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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i don't think that makes a difference to some.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: somebodyelse]
#1666789 - 06/27/03 07:48 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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we don't seem to agree on gun control issues. cross that one out.
i said that we all think that laws against victimless crimes are wrong. i guess that's not really true. some of us think that owning a handgun or assault rifle should be a crime.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1666790 - 06/27/03 07:50 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Innvertigo said:
i don't think that makes a difference to some.
It's sad that facts don't matter, but you're correct.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: ]
#1666794 - 06/27/03 07:51 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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some of us think that owning a handgun or assault rifle should be a crime.
Yes, and many of us think stupidity should be a crime. Sadly, it's not and it appears to be encouraged more each day.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1666836 - 06/27/03 08:33 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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innvertigo: And i'll repeat:
do you even have an clue of what you're talking aboot?
instead of repeating the same meaningless collection of words, how about you thoughtfully criticize my statement?
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1666848 - 06/27/03 08:43 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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tell that to a black man walking down the street holding a gun. mmmm cop suicide.
How can that be thoughtfully responded to? He gave it the response it deserved.
Here's why.....
1. Any person, black or otherwise, would face the same response.
2. In many states you can legally walk around with a gun.
3. "cop suicide" would be a cop killing himself. Killing a man with a gun is not suicide.
Face it, It was a statement implying ALL cops are racist and would kill only a black man with a gun.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1666876 - 06/27/03 09:01 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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no, it did not imply anything of the sort, it was ment to accentuate characteristics of american gun culture.
suicide by cop....never heard of it?
all im saying is that logically, having a gun does not make you safer, that idea only works in idealist theory.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1666890 - 06/27/03 09:09 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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atomikfunksoldier said:
no, it did not imply anything of the sort, it was ment to accentuate characteristics of american gun culture.
I'll accept that's what you meant but it's not how it came off.
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suicide by cop....never heard of it?
I've heard of it. If that's what you meant then that's what you should have said.
Suicide by cop is not the same as cop suicide.
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all im saying is that logically, having a gun does not make you safer, that idea only works in idealist theory.
Actually studies and crime reports have repeatedly shown that the states with the most liberal gun laws have the lowest crime rate and vise-versa.
Not only that but in states that had restrictive carry laws, when the laws were made less restrictive, the gun crime rate makes sharp drops. Florida is a perfect example of this.
Now if you want to say people shouldn't be allowed to carry simply because you don't think they should.... at least that is accurate.
To say guns make you less safe is false.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1666895 - 06/27/03 09:12 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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no, it did not imply anything of the sort
that's exactly what you implied or you wouldn't of used a black guy as an example.
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it was ment to accentuate characteristics of american gun culture
This is in no way even close to the American gun culture.
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suicide by cop....never heard of it?
We've all heard of it but are still bewildered as to why you thought it had anything to do with the discussion.
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all im saying is that logically, having a gun does not make you safer
Just saying it doesn't make it so, you've given absolutly no evidence or examples that would back that claim up.
keep trying.
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1666940 - 06/27/03 09:31 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just saying it doesn't make it so, you've given absolutly no evidence or examples that would back that claim up.
-its quite obvious if you compare american crime statistics to that of any other developed nation, (and I know y'all aint gonna bust out some marxian reasons).
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Re: gun-nuts & tree-huggers: what can we agree on? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1667189 - 06/27/03 11:37 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actually you'll find the percentage of gun ownership rarely equates to the gun crime rate.
There are countries with higher ownership rates and less crime.
There are countries with less gun ownership and more gun crime.
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