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OfflineAncalagon
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Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami
    #3191854 - 09/28/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES BADNARIK & COBB TO DEBATE IN MIAMI


The Open Format Debate featuring the Libertarian & Green Party candidates will be a stark contrast to the other Miami ?debate?

MIAMI?Michael Badnarik and David Cobb, the presidential candidates from the Libertarian and Green parties, will take questions from media, students and the public in an open forum the night of?and just feet from?the first televised ?debate? between the two-party candidates.

The debate will take place on Thursday, September 30, at 5 p.m., at the Holiday Inn Ballroom, 1350 S. Dixie Highway, in Coral Gables. Pacifica Radio will interview audience members and debate participants following the two hour debate. From 9 p.m. until 10:30, the candidates and audience will watch a live broadcast of the restricted, two-party debate after which Badnarik and Cobb will offer their rebuttals.

Independent candidate Ralph Nader, who has been invited to participate in the open format debate, has not yet accepted the invitation.

Unlike the scripted and staged exchange between the two-party candidates which will take place directly across Dixie Highway from the Holiday Inn Ballroom, the open format debate will allow for uncensored questions from the public and students and will represent a wide range of viewpoints on the critical issues facing our country.

Two non-partisan student organizations, the University of Miami?s Council for Democracy and the Miami-Dade College Student Senate, are sponsoring the unrestricted, open format debate along with the Center for Voting and Democracy, a nonprofit, non-partisan Maryland-based organization. John Anderson, the former Republican congressman and independent presidential candidate who is the chair of the Center for Voting and Democracy, will present an opening statement prior to the debate.

Admission to the debate is $5 for students and $10 for the general public.

?This open debate will provide students in South Florida and throughout the nation an unparalleled opportunity to realize the richness, substance and diversity of American discourse outside the two-party monopoly,? said Edward Martos, President of the Council for Democracy, a non-partisan student organization dedicated to raising political awareness.

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Just confirmed: Free Market News Network, an internet-based news
network, has agreed to cover the entire Miami debate this Thursday, September
30th. We are using a medium that will be the wave of the future - and
it is the Libertarians, Greens, and Free Market News that will be
leading the way. Corporate media cannot suppress our message any longer. We
are acting on our first amendment right and giving the American people
what they want. Free Market News will be providing unprecedented news
coverage. By going to the Free Market News' website
(www.freemarketnews.com), you will find live coverage from the full day's events, including the debate, the candidate's rebuttals, reporter's commentary, and
interviews. Free Market News is no different than any other cable news
network, except they will be supplying expanded coverage that can only be
showcased through the world wide web. The title of Joe Trippi's book says
it all, "The revolution will not be televised".

Right now we need everybody that is anybody to post, announce, and
spread the Free Market News website as far and as wide as you possibly can.
Post to discussion lists, blogs, chat rooms, and anywhere else that is
conceivable. Let America know that there is a real debate this
Thursday, and it can be viewed in its entirety. We are battling time to promote
this historic news coverage. You will be given the opportunity to
witness every second of the Miami debate, the candidate's rebuttals, and
every second in between. Details and press releases will be avaliable
ASAP. Stay tuned...

www.freemarketnews.com


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3191911 - 09/28/04 04:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'll be sure to tune in. :thumbup:


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3200003 - 09/30/04 03:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

**NOTICE**

Coverage has begun. A REAL debate pre-game show is now on, strongly suggest anyone who can tunes in for the entire days worth of coverage. Great times:

http://63.223.15.84/freemarketnews/09-30-04-pregame.wmv



edit: The actual coverage will begin sometime between 4 and 5 EST at www.freemarketnews.com . The pre-game show questions above was pre-recorded.


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?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'


Edited by Ancalagon (09/30/04 03:23 PM)


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3200040 - 09/30/04 03:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This Badnarik does not have any open channel on his site aka forum, chat, mailinglist. Why? Is that because he actually can not hold the truth? I suppose that is the reason. All I can see is just another political poser. Nothing new.


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Crobih]
    #3200057 - 09/30/04 03:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:blah:


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Crobih]
    #3200159 - 09/30/04 03:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This Badnarik does not have any open channel on his site aka forum, chat, mailinglist.



Perhaps you missed the ability for anyone to comment on blog postings?

Quote:

Is that because he actually can not hold the truth?



What truth is that buddy?

Quote:

All I can see is just another political poser. Nothing new.



Do most 'political posers' you know spend everything they own in order to spread the message of liberty(Michael literally speant everything he had informing people about libertarianism before the LP convention)? Do most 'political posers' DELIBERATELY FOREGO more than a million dollars for their campaigns because of principal(Michael refuses to accept matching campaign donations from the government)? Get a clue.


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3201034 - 09/30/04 07:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Is anyone else having trouble accessing the website right now?


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: silversoul7]
    #3201051 - 09/30/04 08:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
Is anyone else having trouble accessing the website right now?



Everyone. http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog/2004/09/30/the-real-debates-badnarik-vs-cobb/#comments

UPDATE: WE ARE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM WITH FREE MARKET NEWS NETWORK AND WILL HAVE AN UPDATE SHORTLY.

UPDATE 2: WE ARE BEING TOLD THAT FMNN HAS BEEN GETTING INTERMITTENTLY DDOSed (DISTRIBUTED DENIAL OF SERVICE) AND SCANNED SINCE THE STORY ORIGINALLY APPEARED ON SLASHDOT. WE MUST HAVE SOMEONE RUNNING SCARED!

Odds are Free Market News simply wasn't prepared for the immense amount of traffic it received. I hope, though I doubt, that there will be live feed some time tonight. Should be a video sometime tommorow regardless. Sorry guys.


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?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3201059 - 09/30/04 08:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

How much you wanna bet either Karl Rove or Kerry's campaign manager is behind the DDOS attack?


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3201185 - 09/30/04 08:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, free market news is now back up and running, but where's the link for the streaming coverage? I don't see it.


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3203093 - 10/01/04 08:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Ancalagon said:
Perhaps you missed the ability for anyone to comment on blog postings?


That is far from enough of enabling free speech on that site. Free speech has to obtain equal posibilities, which blog comments certainly do not ralize. But quiet contrary.

What truth is that buddy?

First, you need to know what truth is. As a concept off course.

Do most 'political posers' you know spend everything they own in order to spread the message of liberty(Michael literally speant everything he had informing people about libertarianism before the LP convention)? Do most 'political posers' DELIBERATELY FOREGO more than a million dollars for their campaigns because of principal(Michael refuses to accept matching campaign donations from the government)? Get a clue.

It seems he is not just a poses. He is also stupid. Or at least he is aiming at stupid base.


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Crobih]
    #3203188 - 10/01/04 09:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

what the hell are you talking about now?


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Crobih]
    #3203268 - 10/01/04 10:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Is there any possible way you could start making sense?


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: silversoul7]
    #3203405 - 10/01/04 11:16 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

No.


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: ]
    #3203457 - 10/01/04 11:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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mushmaster said:'
what the hell are you talking about now?


I am talking about brand for free speech which is public fourm where you can discuss freely. Didn't you ever ask yourself why there is no such a thing on any of these so called democratic organisations?

I will answer you that right now. They base their position on the control of information. They are actually big balloons being afraid of direct public relationship, cause that relationship could easily show all the emptyness of their position.

On the other hand, those who are not political posers, will gladly open their space for the public, cause public can only help them out on their call. For difference, to posers, public is the biggest enemy that needs to be delusioned. One stream mass media is the only cannal thay can use freely. On interactive stuff is a big no, no, no.


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Crobih]
    #3203473 - 10/01/04 12:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

How is it not free speech to allow anyone to post on the blog?


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: silversoul7]
    #3203515 - 10/01/04 12:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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How is it not free speech to allow anyone to post on the blog?




When I give you an exact theme, where you can comment it, without allowing you to start your own, that is not such a big free speech stuff. Imagne shroomery, where tork and pinky start topics you can comment. We would probalby never talk about this.


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Crobih]
    #3203517 - 10/01/04 12:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You can talk about anything you want on the blog. Just because it may not be as good as a message board does not mean it's not free speech. You really need to get off your high horse and get over yourself.


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: silversoul7]
    #3203535 - 10/01/04 12:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
You can talk about anything you want on the blog. Just because it may not be as good as a message board does not mean it's not free speech. You really need to get off your high horse and get over yourself.




Cmon silver. Right here, right now, your main issue is to get me off. Not to listen what I am talking about. That is a not good attitude. Change it as soon as possible.


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Re: Libertarians & Greens to Debate in Miami [Re: Crobih]
    #3203542 - 10/01/04 12:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Get you off? Sorry, I'm not a prostitute.


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