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weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self
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Many refer to mother nature and so anthropomorphize a mental clustering of events/physical features. I think this is the same thing we do with our sense of self. Take a mental clustering of events/physical features and anthropomorphize.


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Kickle]
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Anthropos anthropomorphizing anthropos?

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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: DieCommie]
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I was thinking more the process of anthropomorphization creating the illusion of an anthrop.


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Kickle]
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Looks like a circular argument to me.  Applying human characteristics to a human is a tautology, not an anthropomorphism.  There is no morphing going on.

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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Looks like a circular argument to me.  Applying human characteristics to a human is a tautology, not an anthropomorphism.  There is no morphing going on.


I disagree, and feel the OP has got it. We are anthropomorphizing our own humanness into existence.

Your statement there assumes that our humanness is tautology. OP is not making that assumption by suggesting what happens in order for us to make that deduction. He proposes that our humanness is an anthropomorphization, not tautology.

It makes perfect sense, no? What is the quality of humanness beyond a collective appearance of intricate mass cellular symbiosis and their collective behavior?
"Humanness" is qualitative, not quantitative.


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Violet]
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There is a Self, only it is common to all and the idea seems to be to hide from Itself and enjoy some strange experience forever throughout which it might learn something.


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: circastes] * 2
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circastes said:
There is a Self, only it is common to all and the idea seems to be to hide from Itself and enjoy some strange experience forever throughout which it might learn something.



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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Looks like a circular argument to me.  Applying human characteristics to a human is a tautology, not an anthropomorphism.  There is no morphing going on.


I agree it is circular. It would be impossible to use the word anthropomorphism in this context without being circular. Still, it was the best word I could think of to convey the meaning I intended. I can't really seem to wrap my head around a way to express the absence of something which all experience revolves around. So I went for the alternative. For a way that the sensation of some central entity might be created. And it seems to me we project sensations, thoughts, emotions, etc. onto a sense of self that isn't really there but is instead imagined. So that imagined self first has to be created. IMO that creation is most akin to the process of anthropomorphism. Like creating mother nature and then using that identity as a placeholder for... lots.


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Kickle]
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What if you just know your "self" by which way it acts in life situations. (experience) and how those experiences make you "feel".
Yet still don't take that self as being any more anthropo than animal?
Is this a "self" that has been anthromorphed to a anthropo "self"?
What would make us do this?
Believing that as homo sapiens we have this self?
Believejng we are this self?
Being this self?
Acting the self you believe yourself to be?
Just thinking your "self" is more complicated that just a fundamental highest being in nature?
I don't get this.
I think the circular argument thang is stumping my simple mind.

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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: ashfiken]
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IMO we do this because the alternative signifies a lack of control with no one at the wheel. Same reason we tend to do it for nature or the universe.


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Many refer to mother nature and so anthropomorphize a mental clustering of events/physical features. I think this is the same thing we do with our sense of self. Take a mental clustering of events/physical features and anthropomorphize.



and so then your conclusion if this be true?


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Icelander]
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Not much. Something along the lines of incoorporating the realization into the mix and observing the change if any.


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Kickle]
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I see.:thumbup:


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Kickle]
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Are you saying that we are attaching humanistic Attributes to the self, than what is it that is doing the anthropomorphizing? And why is it so strange that a human attaches humanistic characteristics? seems natural to me. Or did I miss your point:shrug:


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Cactilove]
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Yes, attaching what we experience to a self that likely doesn't exist at all. And so in order to attach these experiences to a self we have to first create a self and then give it the characteristics of our experience.

Unless there is a self which inherently has these experiences. I haven't been able to find it :shrug:


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Kickle]
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Why is this strange to you, what else is there to attach it to?


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Cactilove]
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its strange to me due to not often thinking in these terms. An atypical way of looking at the experience of "me"

And I also find it strange we do attach experiences to anything at all, especially something so transparent.


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Kickle]
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Whya would happen to the expierence if we were not to attach it to anything?


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Cactilove]
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More importantly what would happen to you?


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Re: weird. i think we anthropomorphize a sense of self [Re: Kickle]
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Does a mushroom fungimorph its surroundings? :tongue2:

I think we do it because it's easy. It's hard to conceptualize a subjective experience that isn't ours, because once we conceptualize another experience, it is ours.

Besides that, there's this whole evolutionary push that attracts us to what is like us.

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