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Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid?
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Yesterday I had my first drug offender class session and the drug propaganda lady was listing all substances in Schedule 1, saying they have no medicinal value.

Someone asked why there is medical marijuana in other states then, if marijuana has no medical value, and she says that marijuana does not technically have medical value because it can treat symptoms, but it does not cure any disease.

However, is this true, and if so, does that necessarily mean marijuana has no medical value?  I'm no expert and don't want to make any hasty assertions, but I suspect that's what a lot of medicines nowadays do - they treat symptoms but do not cure diseases, sort of like prescription opiate painkillers... :confused:


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Celestial Traveler] * 4
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Name a drug out there that cures disease.

The entire pharm industry is built upon ongoing/daily treatment drugs. That lady is an idiot and you should donkeypunch her.


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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Looks like a ad-hoc definition that splits a hair in order to maintain consistent beliefs.

Pain killing is medicinal value.

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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Name a drug out there that cures disease.

The entire pharm industry is built upon ongoing/daily treatment drugs. That lady is an idiot and you should donkeypunch her.


:whathesaid: plus just grasping at straws here but it cures nausea and loss of appetite, especially good for Leukimia patients.


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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Celestial Traveler said:
Yesterday I had my first drug offender class session and the drug propaganda lady was listing all substances in Schedule 1, saying they have no medicinal value.

Someone asked why there is medical marijuana in other states then, if marijuana has no medical value, and she says that marijuana does not technically have medical value because it can treat symptoms, but it does not cure any disease.

However, is this true, and if so, does that necessarily mean marijuana has no medical value?  I'm no expert and don't want to make any hasty assertions, but I suspect that's what a lot of medicines nowadays do - they treat symptoms but do not cure diseases, sort of like prescription opiate painkillers... :confused:



You cant be serious. By her definition all of western medicine is a joke, and has no place within medical treatment.

Sounds like an ignorant dumb fuck. Do you know how many pharmacuticiles we have that dont cure ANYTHING, but are used to simply treat the symptoms? Almost every fucking one aside from antibiotics. Dont listen to her bullshit


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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'drug propaganda lady' would be the first clue...

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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Looks like a ad-hoc definition that splits a hair in order to maintain consistent beliefs.

Pain killing is medicinal value.


:thumbup:
You should have brought up benzos, and opiates. Not schedule 1.
They certainly don't CURE anything.. they do alleviate pain / anxiety.
They don't cure. Most drugs do not cure. They just temporarily fix. Which is why you have to keep taking them..

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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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tymoteusz3 said:
DieCommie said:
Looks like a ad-hoc definition that splits a hair in order to maintain consistent beliefs.

Pain killing is medicinal value.


:thumbup:
You should have brought up benzos, and opiates. Not schedule 1.
They certainly don't CURE anything.. they do alleviate pain / anxiety.
They don't cure. Most drugs do not cure. They just temporarily fix. Which is why you have to keep taking them..


That's what I thought.  I was pretty confident in thinking that she was full of shit (obviously I knew she was full of shit) but I was just asking to make sure that I could safely argue that most medicines DO treat symptoms and don't actually cure the disease.


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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lol OP, I'd have torn her a new one. But then again, I probably wouldn't have found myself in your situation to begin with :shrug:

You might like to bring up anti-viruals for the treatment of things such as herpes and HIV next time though. That'd shut her pie hole.


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Dawks] * 2
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lol OP, I'd have torn her a new one.


I'd just smile and nod.

You have to pick your battles and its best not to battle on the opponents turf with the opponents rules.

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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Name a drug out there that cures disease.

The entire pharm industry is built upon ongoing/daily treatment drugs. That lady is an idiot and you should donkeypunch her.





Penicillin, Amoxicillin, Cefazolin, Tri Sulfamethoxazole.  You're statement is way off base sir.  There are a lot of variables on types of diseases and what has the ability to treat/cure/prevent them.


Polio is all but wiped out.  Whooping cough is preventable and can be wiped out as long as vaccines are given.


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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Technically, MJ does not have an "established medical use", because it does not meet the legal and regulatory definitions of these.  It's a legal thing.

Most of the studies done with MJ are teeny tiny, and in very specific subpopulations of users.  This is much different than approved drugs, which have demonstrated an "established medical use" through studies involving hundreds (if not thousands) of patients.


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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There were other people that were arguing with her about marijuana legalization, and stuff like that.  Nothing bad happened to them, and I don't think I would have gone to jail or been fined or anything like that.  I just saw futility in trying to convince a paid drug-propaganda person that their propaganda was bullshit.


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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Anyway, I'm in support of drugs being legalized on the basis of "established recreational value."



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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: Almond Flour]
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Real CA Milk said:
Celestial Traveler said:
Yesterday I had my first drug offender class session and the drug propaganda lady was listing all substances in Schedule 1, saying they have no medicinal value.

Someone asked why there is medical marijuana in other states then, if marijuana has no medical value, and she says that marijuana does not technically have medical value because it can treat symptoms, but it does not cure any disease.

However, is this true, and if so, does that necessarily mean marijuana has no medical value?  I'm no expert and don't want to make any hasty assertions, but I suspect that's what a lot of medicines nowadays do - they treat symptoms but do not cure diseases, sort of like prescription opiate painkillers... :confused:



You cant be serious. By her definition all of western medicine is a joke, and has no place within medical treatment.

Sounds like an ignorant dumb fuck. Do you know how many pharmacuticiles we have that dont cure ANYTHING, but are used to simply treat the symptoms? Almost every fucking one aside from antibiotics. Dont listen to her bullshit


Exactly. I don't think id be able to even argue w her tho, i just break out laughing.


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: The_Ghost]
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Make her go  :waaaaaaargh:


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: blackhawk]
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So why is Marinol manufactured and prescribed?

Ask her that question


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: 1EyeCries]
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Some lady at the inpatient treatment center I went to stated marijuana causes permanent brain damage. Her proof? Tommy Chong. I am dead serious. That is when I walked out. People there argued with me that it does. No one seemed to understand that a one person example is not a valid argument. No different than saying everyone in the middle east is a muslim terrorist, look at Bin Lauden.

She also said there is no difference in heroin addicts and cancer patients physically dependent on prescription opiates.


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: fuel on the fire]
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fuel on the fire said:
Some lady at the inpatient treatment center I went to stated marijuana causes permanent brain damage. Her proof? Tommy Chong. I am dead serious. That is when I walked out. People there argued with me that it does. No one seemed to understand that a one person example not a valid argument. No different than saying everyone in the middle east is a muslim terrorist, look at Bin Lauden.


I learned many years ago that arguing or even getting annoyed with people like that is an utter waste of energy. Why bother discussing brain damage with people who dont have enough brain to damage in the first place. :shrug: It might be worth it if they are still teenagers, but when adults have such an outlook they tend to be a lost cause.


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Re: Is this Anti-MMJ argument valid? [Re: fuel on the fire]
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fuel on the fire said:
Some lady at the inpatient treatment center I went to stated marijuana causes permanent brain damage. Her proof? Tommy Chong. I am dead serious. That is when I walked out. People there argued with me that it does. No one seemed to understand that a one person example is not a valid argument. No different than saying everyone in the middle east is a muslim terrorist, look at Bin Lauden.

She also said there is no difference in heroin addicts and cancer patients physically dependent on prescription opiates.


Some people are just morons brah.  Gotta accept that fact.


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