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Experience with Dramamine
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Firstly, I want to note that I'm pretty new to the whole Psychedelic experience, Dramamine being the only Psychedelic/dissociative/deliriant that I've tried (unless you conceder Marijuana to be one).

Also, I would also like to note that these doses may seem high to some, but after careful research, I decided to get as large of a dose without overdosing, while I'm still inexperienced with mind alterations...

Due to the lack of LSD or shrooms me & my friend could get my hands on, we decided to take a walk down to the local Walmart and see what Dextromethorphan products we could find (carefully looking at all of the contents, as to not dose on anything deadly). While browsing, we found Generic walmart-brand motion sickness pills (I think Equate) that contained 50 mg of Dramamine HCI with no other actives that I could find.

First Time
23 Pills (1150 mg)
Body weight: 186 lbs.

After some coaxing of my stomach, I started dosing, 5 pills at a time on an empty stomach. Almost immediately, through placebo effect or other, I noticed slight perception differences, odd thoughts begin to manifest... begin to experience hot flashes and blotting of the skin on my hands, my friend said my eyes dilated fully. My stomach felt as if it was under turmoil, I almost purging at one point, managing not to throw up at the end... the body high was incredible, albeit frightening. I felt, at one instance, that I was sick with the flu as a child again, one memory popping out about me being so sick I had been delirious.
As I glanced around the room, nothing was recognizable as it once been. I noticed what seemed to be a fracturing of my ego as I carried on a conversation in my head with my self. "Who am I talking to? myself? Is this my left (brain) hemisphere?" I asked. 'I' answered "more like your subconscious..."
At this point I begin to think of what I had done to myself... with that thought looping, I shut my eyes... my first vision occurred. I saw a grotesque cross section of myself as if I had been sliced lengthwise. I saw the chemicals boiling in my stomach, being transported via bloodstream and interacting with my neurons, wreaking havoc to my perceptions. It scared me, made me feel like meat... not transcended, or spiritual.
This started to change, though, as as I thought about other beings. I saw on the same black grainy black-drop a dear, but as a biological being. I saw the neurons firing off sending commands to it's muscular tendons. I saw the digestive tract processing vegetation, the brain and the organs and the vessels, in all their horrific beauty. I felt like crying.
Then I saw a wolf in this way as it chased it, grabbing it by the neck, tearing into it's arteries... it was so intense. The brain, I saw, was still alive, sending signals to limbs not part of it anymore. After that, my memory is too fragmented to begin to describe...
At one point my face felt- more like my whole being- was warping through a star field that colors had been inverted (I didn't visualize this, just felt it). Cevs begin to spring up so intensely, overlapping one another yet only seemed 'skin deep'.. on the surface...
Other things happened, like me thinking I had three hands and objects popping out of the carpet, but they only seemed remedial compared to the vision of the dear.
Before I knew it, it was 4 hours later, and I was in a pool of my own sweat freezing. the rest of the night I amused myself with tracers and jumped at every little noise... BTW, I think that play-dough is the best trip toy, ever.
Since then I've been able to willfully come in and out of that trippy state of mind, whenever. Anyone else get that?


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Edited by LHK (12/15/06 06:26 PM)

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Re: Experience with DXM [Re: LHK]
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Fuck man im comming off a dxm trip right now nothing as big as yours but it sure s ahell of alot of fun.


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Re: Experience with DXM [Re: AJ4U]
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I Don't come to fight flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness in high and low places

Edited by Pikashroom (12/15/06 06:31 PM)

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Re: Experience with DXM [Re: LHK]
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Thats pretty full on man.... Not sure I could process that experience in my old age anymore......

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Re: Experience with DXM [Re: _OttO_]
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that sounds like a hell of a ride to get from Drammamine!  :jawdrop:

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Re: Experience with DXM [Re: ApJunkie]
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when i was younger i tried dramamine. somehow i overdosed and ended up waking up in the hospital 3 days later. dont remember a damn thing. be carefull.

nice trip though. i havent got the courage to try dxm again.


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Wiping a loop with alcohol after flame sterilizing is like wiping shit on your face after taking a shower.
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Re: Experience with Dramamine [Re: LHK]
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I've heard messing with dramamine like that is detrimental to your memory. Like it can take some people months to get back to normal. At a dose like that was it hard to stay awake?

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Re: Experience with Dramamine [Re: palmersc]
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Taking dramamine for fun----can you say Darwin Award? LOL

I'm sure some people here would eat Mop and Glo if they could trip on it. Pretty fuckin stupid...

Edited by Mourningdove (12/16/06 11:37 AM)

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Re: Experience with Dramamine [Re: Mourningdove]
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Next time just go for the shrooms(if you cant buy you can grow  :discodance: ).. Sounds like a pretty intense trip... I also get that thing about being able to become trippy without taking anything.. I think psychedelics can teach one to think in a new(trippy) way... Seems pretty common. Good luck with the explorations. Keep safe :smile:


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Nalim said: "Quoting yourself is retarded."

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Re: Dramamine risk reward ratio ? or "low abuse liability" [Re: Nalim]
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Some research about what one might have been thinking of putting in one's mouth in large quantity in the future...


FROM:

http://www.third-plateau.org/forum/cache2/thedxminformationforum/3DEA354C000014F4.html

Nick: rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski (Registered User)
Date/Time: Sunday, December 1, 2002

This isn't well known.

The problem is that it is hard to make any estimate on frequency because we don't know how many people actually abuse anticholinergics. I remember once doing some searching and found just one city had a rather large number of hospitalizations from anticholinegic abuse. Anticholinergics are about the most dangerous of drugs to abuse because the dose that will make you "trip balls" isn't far removed from a lethal dose.


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FROM:

http://meds4dumbbells.com/Benadryl.html

Diphenhydramine is a first generation antihistamine drug. Despite being one of the oldest antihistamines on the market, it is by and large the most effective antihistamine available, either by prescription or over-the-counter, and has been shown to exceed the effectiveness of even the latest prescription drugs. Consequently, the drug is the most deferred to when an allergic reaction requires a strong and quick reversal of the (often dangerous) effects of a massive histamine release. However, it is not always the drug of choice for treating allergies.

Like many other first generation antihistamines, is also a potent anticholinergic agent. This leads to profound drowsiness as a very common side-effect, along with the possibilities of motor impairment (ataxia), dry mouth and throat, flushed skin, rapid or irregular heartbeat (tachycardia), blurred vision at nearpoint due to lack of accommodation (cycloplegia), abnormal sensitivity to bright light (photophobia), pupil dilatation, urinary retention, constipation, difficulty concentrating, short-term memory loss, visual disturbances, hallucinations, confusion, and delirium.

In the 1960s it was found that diphenhydramine inhibits reuptake of the neurotransmitter serotonin. This discovery led to a search for viable antidepressants with similar structures and fewer side effects, culminating in the invention of fluoxetine (Prozac), a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI). A similar search had previously led to the synthesis of the first SSRI zimelidine from chlorpheniramine, also an antihistamine.

Benadryl Abuse & Side Effects

Recreational drug users sometimes take several times the recommended dose of diphenhydramine in order to attain an intense hallucinogenic (more accurately, delirious) state. The mental effects are described by many as "dreaming while awake" involving visual and auditory hallucinations which, unlike those experienced with most psychedelics, often cannot be readily distinguished from reality. Many users report a side effect profile consistent with tropane glycoalkaloidal poisoning. This is due to antagonism of muscarinic acetylcholine receptors in both the central and autonomic nervous system, inhibiting various signal transduction pathways. In the CNS, diphenhydramine readily crosses the blood-brain barrier, exerting effects within the visual and auditory cortex, accounting for reported visual and auditory disturbances. Other CNS effects occur within the limbic system and hippocampus, causing confusion and temporary amnesia.

Toxicology also manifests in the autonomic nervous system, primarily at the neuromuscular junction, resulting in ataxia and extrapyramidal side-effects, and at sympathetic post-ganglionic junctions, causing urinary retention, pupil dialation, tachycardia, and dry skin & mucous membranes.

Considerable overdosage can lead to myocardial infarction,
serious ventricular dysrhythmias,
coma and death.

Such a side-effect profile is thought to give ethanolamine-class antihistamines a relatively low abuse liability.

Benadryl is very similar in its effects to dimenhydrinate (Dramamine®),

its 8-chlorotheophyllinate salt, although the latter is approximately 60% the potency in terms of required dosage and is slightly less sedating.

The brand Benadryl is currently trademarked in the United States by the Warner-Lambert Company, but many drug store chains and retail outlets manufacture substantially less expensive generic versions under their own store brands, often sold in boxes that share the size, shape and familiar pink packaging and pill color of the original.

Interaction with other drugs

Benadryl increases the sedating effects of alcohol and other drugs than can cause sedation: (e.g., Valium, Ativan, Klonopin, Xanax, Percocet, Vicodin, Dilaudid, Coedine, Darvon.Elavil, Tofranil, Norpramin), and certain antihypertensive medications , Catapres, Inderal. Benadryl can also intensify the drying effects of other medications: e.g., Bentyl, Urecholine, Probanthine



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FinalizedPMGdlns/diphenhydramine.pdf+Dramamine+abuse+harm+dangers&hl
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Signs and symptoms observed following diphenhydramine
overdose are anticholinergic in nature and can include dry
mucous membranes, decreased bowel sounds, mydriasis,
flushed skin, hyperthermia, drowsiness, tachycardia, hallucina-
tions, and seizures. Death has resulted from seizures and/or
cardiac arrhythmias. Cardiac arrhythmias are similar to those
following an overdose of other drugs with class Ia antiarrhyth-
mic properties, and result from the blockade of fast sodium
channels (4).

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Dramamine FAQ
What's Related >>

Originally Written for Usenet alt.drugs

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1.2 Why a Dramamine FAQ?

It is not my intention to cover just Dramamine, as there are many other medicines that have much the same effects. However, if I named this the Anticholinergic/Antihistamine FAQ, people would pretty much ignore it (perhaps not knowing what it means) and/or expect other anticholinergic/antihistamine sources to be discussed, such as plants, etc.

The drugs mentioned in this FAQ are Dramamine, Dramamine II, Benadryl Allergy, Marezene, and a few others. When referring to Dramamine, I am also referring to these other drugs as well. It's just a lot easier to refer to these drugs as just "Dramamine" than "diphenhydramine, dimenhydrinate, cyclizine HCl, and meclizine HCl."

Also, this FAQ is to set up to provide answers to the most frequently asked questions regarding Dramamine use and present several experiences of peoples' Dramamine trips.

After searching the Internet and NOT finding a Dramamine FAQ (I could only find reports of experiences) I decided to write this and close the book once and for all on any speculation regarding the use of Dramamine. If you find any part of this FAQ incomplete or in any way wrong please let me know via e-mail and I will do my best at correcting the information and acknowledging your help. Thanks.
2 General Information
2.1 What's the difference between all these drugs?

The effects of diphenhydramine HCl and dimenhydrinate are virtually the same. However, diphenhydramine HCl produces a more marked, rapid effect. Dimenhydrinate was developed to avoid those effects, but still have the H2 effects.

Dimenhydrinate is the 8-chlorotheophyllinate salt of diphenhydramine HCl. You don't have to worry too much about what that means! [if you wanna know: it means there's an additional bunch of atoms attached to each of the diphenhydramine molecules. This bunch of atoms is stripped off when it dissolves in water, so that the effect of the drug is not changed. However, it adds to the weight of the molecule, which means that the drug is less potent.] The only important difference is potency: 50mg of dimenhydrinate and cyclizine HCl is equivalent to 25mg of diphenhydramine HCl and meclizine HCl. It's basically the same drug. Of course, these drugs are more expensive as a sleep aid than as an allergy medicine, though it is the same formulation. Be sure to keep your eyes open if you want the best deal.

Meclizine hydrochloride is much like dimenhydrinate, except that it produces less sleepiness and has a weaker effect.
2.2 What are these drugs generally used for?

Diphenhydramine HCl can be used for the treatment of everything from allergies to anxiety disorders, and even the treatment of Parkinson's disease. Dimenhydrinate can be used as a sleep aid, and as an anti-nausea motion-sickness medication. However, quite paradoxically, in higher doses it can cause nausea.
2.3 What are some brand name medicines containing these drugs?

Some brand names of dimenhydrinate include: Calm-X, Dimetabs, Dramamine, Marmine, Nico-Vert, Tega-Vert, and Triptone. Some brand names of diphenhydramine HCl include: Aller Max, Banophen, Belix, Benadryl, Benylin Cough, Bydramine, Compoz, Diphen Cough, Dormarex-2, Genahist, Hydramine, Hydramyn, Nervine Nighttime Sleep-Aid, Nidryl, Nordryl, Nytol, Phendry, Sleep-Eze 3, Sominex 2, Tusstat, and Twilite.

Other variations may include Marezene (containing cyclizine hydrochloride 50mg per tablet) and Dramamine II (containing meclizine hydrochloride 25mg per tablet). Note that some of the above brand names are not over-the-counter medications.

Dramamine is also available in the form of Gravol in Canada and other countries.
2.4 How does diphenhydramine Hcl and dimenhydrinate work?

Antihistamines generally, and Diphenydramine Hcl specifically, act by antagonizing histamine at the site of the H1 histamine receptor. Antihistamines dry up the secretion of the nose, throat, and eyes. They relieve itch and will help you go to sleep.

Dimenhydrinate depresses the middle-ear function, but the way in which it actually prevents nausea, vomiting, or dizziness is not known.

However, these drugs are not just antihistamines. They have a significant amount of anticholinergic activity. What does this mean? There's a chemical in the nervous system called acetylcholine, which is one of a set of substances called neurotransmitters. These chemicals transmit signals from one neuron to another. Acetylcholine is present in many different parts of the brain. Notably, it's present in areas thought to be associated with memory, and is the primary transmitter of the motor pathways leading off from the spinal cord. It plays a role in just about every system, however.

Dramamine et al work to prevent acetylcholine from transmitting its signals.

The importance of acetycholine to memory may explain the amnesia people usually have for the events during a high-dose Dramamine trip. The heaviness that people often report is most likely a result of the blocking of signals to muscles: the brain has to send a much stronger signal to overcome the opposition produced by diphenhydramine, and this is interpreted as a sensation of greater effort by the brain.
2.5 Cautions and Warnings

People with a prostate condition, some types of stomach ulcers, bladder problems, difficulty urinating, glaucoma, asthma, or abnormal heart rhythms should not use dimenhydrinate. Because it reduces nausea and vomiting, dimenhydrinate can hide symptoms of overdose of other medicines or the symptoms of appendicitis. Your doctor may have difficulty reaching an accurate diagnosis in these conditions unless he or she knows you are taking dimenhydrinate.

Diphenhydramine HCl should not be used if you are allergic to this drug. (That's another reason that it's a good idea to start off with really small doses.) It should be avoided or used with extreme care if you have narrow-angle glaucoma (pressure in the eye), stomach ulcer or other stomach problems, enlarged prostate, or problems passing urine. It should not be used by people who have deep-breathing problems such as asthma. Use with extra care - if at all - if you have a history of thyroid disease, heart disease, high blood pressure, or diabetes.

The same cautions/warnings should be used while taking similar drugs such as cyclizine HCl and meclizine HCl. Also, do not drive while on these medications as they can be quite sedating. (not to mention the hallucinations!)
2.6 Possible side effects

The most common side effect of dimenhydrinate is dizziness. Other, less frequent, side effects are blurred vision, difficult or painful urination, increased sensitivity to the sun, loss of appetite, nightmares, rash, ringing or buzzing in the ears, and dry mouth, nose, or throat. Similar effects persist with the use of diphenhydramine HCl since it is basically the same drug.
2.7 Drug Interactions

Taking dimenhydrinate together with alcoholic beverages, other antihistamines, tranquilizers, or other nervous-system depressants can result in excessive dizziness, drowsiness, or other signs of nervous-system depression.

Diphenhydramine HCl should not be taken with monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitors. Interaction with tranquilizers, sedatives, and sleeping medication will increase the effects of these drugs. Again, be extremely cautious when drinking alcohol while taking diphenhydramine HCl, which will enhance the intoxicating effect of the alcohol. Alcohol also has a sedative effect.

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Re: Dramamine risk reward ratio ? or "low abuse liability" [Re: laughingdog]
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Funny part is, though, that I meant to take DXM at the time, my friend reading the label, mistaking Dimenhydrinate HCI with Dextromethorphan. By the time it was purchased and consumed, it was already too late. I didn't even check to see until a week later, letting my friends judgment get the best of me. If I had actually known what it was at the time, it's doubtful I would have taken it. I'm in no way advocating use of Dramamine, which, as a mater of fact, I find irresponsible (even in my own account).
Either way, yeah I fucked up, but I'm sure a few of you also did in your youth. That doesn't, however, negate the experience I had.

Also, I did have some trouble staying awake... eh, wouldn't suggest it. I will be growing some shrooms soon, however.


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Edited by LHK (12/16/06 03:49 PM)

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Re: Dramamine risk reward ratio ? or "low abuse liability" [Re: LHK]
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Damn you took over 1g of a substance you didn't mean to take... :eek:


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Re: Experience with Dramamine [Re: LHK]
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last night on a  high dose dph & dimenhydrinate, I overheard someone talking about his three headed son.

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