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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
There is no ranking of the relative importance of rights in the Constitution, and no distinction is made between any type of speech.


You lost me here.  On what grounds do you claim there is no distinction between types of speech?

Edit: Oh are you merely saying in the constitution itself?  That mostly just seems like a distinction not worth having

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
It was in reference to two of the three pointless links you provided.  I didn't bother with the third.


I mentioned auto-records, perhaps you didn't read that post. Well if you aren't even willing to watch the videos of what happened at occupy oakland that day, perhaps you shouldn't comment it? Why sit here and speculate, or repeat lies you have been told?

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: johnm214]
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Iraq War Torture
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The torture was not just a few bad apples. It goes right to the top. Both Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International USA say there is prima facie evidence against Rumsfeld for war crimes and torture. And Amnesty International USA says there is also prima facie evidence against Bush for war crimes and torture.


Edited by zzripz (02/01/12 04:59 AM)

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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YawnGG said:
1: Occupiers destroyed a fence. Ok it it did happend. But the media forgets to mention that the people were surrounded by two barricades then tear gassed. They had to destroy the fence to escape.



the evidence suggests otherwise. this video was put together by people in
support of the occupy movement as it's listed yet again as police brutality



seems you're failing to mention the actual timeline of the events or actions


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California Has Legalized Child Prostitution

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
YawnGG said:
1: Occupiers destroyed a fence. Ok it it did happend. But the media forgets to mention that the people were surrounded by two barricades then tear gassed. They had to destroy the fence to escape.



the evidence suggests otherwise. this video was put together by people in
support of the occupy movement as it's listed yet again as police brutality



seems you're failing to mention the actual timeline of the events or actions


What "evidence" are you pointing to please? Please give exact times of video you are pointing to and explain what it is precisely you are pointing to?

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: zzripz]
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Oh my prisoner posted the first link for occupy oakland on youtube, its clear he has done some very indepth research into this subject.

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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So have a great many other people.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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YawnGG said:
Shill said:
zzripz said:
did you see that thug/cop spray mace into the faces of the students who were peacfully sitting in protest?




That has nothing to do with this whatsoever

:lol:

That was just a cop acting on emotion towards the self entitled delinquents


Incorrect, he was ordered to do so. Please use facts to formulate your opinions, thanks.



You really feel occupy is justified eh?

Those '300' people deserved it, they all do.
This movement is total bullshit, anti-American and I have a feeling that eventually these people will be dealt with accordingly as they get even dumber and more violent in the coming months

I hope so at least


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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.

A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.

If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.

"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Shill]
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Shill said:
YawnGG said:
Shill said:
zzripz said:
did you see that thug/cop spray mace into the faces of the students who were peacfully sitting in protest?




That has nothing to do with this whatsoever

:lol:

That was just a cop acting on emotion towards the self entitled delinquents


Incorrect, he was ordered to do so. Please use facts to formulate your opinions, thanks.



You really feel occupy is justified eh?

Those '300' people deserved it, they all do.
This movement is total bullshit, anti-American and I have a feeling that eventually these people will be dealt with accordingly as they get even dumber and more violent in the coming months

I hope so at least


I am not a occupier supporter really, but I do support there right to peacefully protest, and it seems pretty logical to me the dangers of being able to squash protest(which is alot of violence) because one person allegedly throws an empty water bottle at the police.

Really the occupy movement is a bit of a mess, but atleast there trying to do something. I am not sure what is anti-american about the movement.. if they suceed in doing something great they will be hailed as patriots. Seems like when anyone has beef with there government these days you get called things like anti-american, and the more you learn about our government corruption the more you are labeled a conspiracy theorist. Seems like social engineering at work to me. They burned a flag, in some ways theres nothing more american then that.. demonstrating constitutional rights help protect our freedoms. If you don't use em, ya lose em.

Edited by YawnGG (02/01/12 02:02 PM)

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Shill]
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Shill said:
YawnGG said:
Shill said:
zzripz said:
did you see that thug/cop spray mace into the faces of the students who were peacfully sitting in protest?




That has nothing to do with this whatsoever

:lol:

That was just a cop acting on emotion towards the self entitled delinquents


Incorrect, he was ordered to do so. Please use facts to formulate your opinions, thanks.



You really feel occupy is justified eh?

Those '300' people deserved it, they all do.
This movement is total bullshit, anti-American and I have a feeling that eventually these people will be dealt with accordingly as they get even dumber and more violent in the coming months

I hope so at least


Are you American, living in America, and do you support the Constitution?

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: zzripz]
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Yep and 99% of these occupiers are left wing radicals
I can't believe most people don't see that


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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.

A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.

If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.

"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Shill]
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Shill said:
Yep and 99% of these occupiers are left wing radicals
I can't believe most people don't see that


A lot of people think the left-right is simply a form of control, even at least one anchor on fox news.

I really don't see how you can say your a constitutionalist either if you don't want the occupy movement to have there voice heard. Freedom of speech doesn't mean its free only when its convenient for you.

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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Freedom of speech does not equate to freedom to burn, block, fester and be assholes to those who don't wish to be involved in the stupidity the Occutards wish to practice.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG] * 1
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YawnGG said:
I am not a occupier supporter really, but I do support there right to peacefully protest, and it seems pretty logical to me the dangers of being able to squash protest(which is alot of violence) because one person allegedly throws an empty water bottle at the police


you say it was non violent but then admit that protesters were throwing shit
at the cops, the video shows that you've misled us about the tearing down of
the fences claiming it was happening after the tear gas. for someone that
watched it first hand and supposedly has an unbiased view you sure seem to be
leading us astray from the facts


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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 2
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John214 asked the following question followed by an incorrect assertion:

Quote:
Further, what does what the Supreme Court decides regarding press, assembly, and petition have to do with whether the Constitution singles out political speech as a specifically important right?  There is no ranking of the relative importance of rights in the Constitution, and no distinction is made between any type of speech.


If you're not a US citizen I can understand your unfamiliarity with how our government works.  In our system, the Supreme Court is the ultimate authority with respect to interpretation and application of The Consistitution.

With respect to the First Amendment to the Constitution, the Supreme Court has established the following--see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States#Core_political_speech

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Freedom of speech in the U.S. follows a graduated system, with different types of regulations subject to different levels of scrutiny in court challenges based on the First Amendment, often depending on the type of speech.


Quote:
Core political speech [...] is the most highly guarded form of speech because of its purely expressive nature and importance to a functional republic. Restrictions placed upon core political speech must weather strict scrutiny analysis or they will be struck down.


In America we do not choose between John214's interpretation of The Constitution and The Supreme Court's interpretation--we follow the Supreme Court's interpretation.  How does it work in your country?


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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Shill]
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Shill said:
Yep and 99% of these occupiers are left wing radicals
I can't believe most people don't see that


So you are Are  American, living in America, and support the Constitution? I see.

You MUST then know that one of your Founding Fathers warned of the government trashing the Constitution and becoming a tyranny deserved more than a few bottles being thrown in their cop guards direction---at the very government in fact? Yes or no?

So therefore your stance here in this thread must be that you see nothing wrong WITH what is being done to your Constitution by the American Government? Nor what has happened and continues to happen to more and more American people, and children?

Edited by zzripz (02/01/12 05:28 PM)

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
YawnGG said:
I am not a occupier supporter really, but I do support there right to peacefully protest, and it seems pretty logical to me the dangers of being able to squash protest(which is alot of violence) because one person allegedly throws an empty water bottle at the police


you say it was non violent but then admit that protesters were throwing shit
at the cops, the video shows that you've misled us about the tearing down of
the fences claiming it was happening after the tear gas. for someone that
watched it first hand and supposedly has an unbiased view you sure seem to be
leading us astray from the facts


Ok so here is the what I keep throwing out, I am not sure why you repeat things I have already answered. Like.. its getting old.

Okay, lets say we have i dunno, 10k protesting. occupy is rolling strong. Now let me provide two unpreventable scenarios in which current police policies dissolve our constitution. No more free speech folks, no more right to assemble. Tyranny. It will cause our living conditions to greatly decline in very small period of time.

Situation 1: Your 10k protestors have been doing an amazing job, there all marching, speaking there points, doing there thang to talk out against the unequility of our current government. One guy , lets call him Bob, its nice a and short maybe you can remember it. Bob is kinda tired of marching around all day while these cops make 80$ an hour to sit there with machine guns and tell him what to do. Bob deciedes enough is enough, and throws a rock at the police. Note we now have 9999 peaceful protestors, and one unpeaceful. This is going to happen almost every single time, some would say its human nature. Leads to result 1:

Situation 2: Your 10k protestors have been doing a next impossible job of not only remaining peaceful them selves. But they have also smacked bob upside his head when they noticed he picked up a rock and was staring at the police with violent intentions. Yay no result 1!! Right? Well, almost. Now we have ehhh Dan. Dan is not actually part of the occupy movement, he has two friends with him to assure his mission is carried out. His mission? To commit one small random act of violence against the police so that result 1 can take place. He works for? The police! He is under cover, awesome. THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN TO HAPPEN MANY TIMES OVER AGAIN. To result 1!

Result 1: The police after having a rock thrown at them by a VERY, VERY small amount of the protestors(in my example .01%) begin shooting rubber bullets, spraying pepper spray, shooting tear gas, twisting arms till they snap, beating people with clubs.. They end up arresting 25% of the people using these tactics, 2500 people. Now does anyone else have a problem with 1 person such as Dan or Bob being able to end a peaceful protest consisting of 99.99% lawful protestors, and violating many innocent lives along the way?

Maybe this will end these statements "THEY WERENT PEACEFUL, U CAN CLEARLY SEE THEM THROWING THE EMPY WATER BOTTLE AT THE POLICE!!!, OMG ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAW HIM DO THIS DESERVE TO GET STOMPED INTO THE STREET AND SHOT AT!! FILTHY LIBERALS!!"

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG] * 1
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Only an idiot throws things at cops and expects to get away with it.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG] * 1
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lol

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG] * 1
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YawnGG said:
zappaisgod said:
It was in reference to two of the three pointless links you provided.  I didn't bother with the third.


I mentioned auto-records, perhaps you didn't read that post. Well if you aren't even willing to watch the videos of what happened at occupy oakland that day, perhaps you shouldn't comment it? Why sit here and speculate, or repeat lies you have been told?


What lies?  I posted video of the cunts breaking the law.  I went all over the videos you posted and they were nothing.  Just because I don't spend every hour of my day chopping bodies apart doesn't mean I've never chopped a body apart.  The scummy little fucks are violent retards and the limp dick (well, no dick) mayor of Oakland has overindulged these fucking morons.


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