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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: Doc_T]
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Doc_T said:
Wow. No, math is almost entirely content-free. Mental masturbation at it's finest.



That is not the same as being based on fantasy.

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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
It is near-impossible to overcome early programming like that. It is like communicating with a tape recorder.

Dear Niece,

Everything your Mom and Dad believe is total nonsense. If they were to hold such beliefs outside of an accepted religion they would be deemed delusional at best and mentally ill at worst.

Love,

Uncle OC :heart:


To answer your question more directly, yes I did and very gently by asking simple, direct questions, much like I do here, but without the attitude. Much like here, getting a direct responses to a simple yes/no question is an amazingly difficult task.

I believe the respondent's logic must be functioning on some subconscious level, else why the avoidance?



:lol: I know what you mean.  When I babysat a seven year old kid who lived down the street with extremely hardcore Fundamentalist parents I occasionally tried to get him to see at least ONE contradiction with his beliefs.  When it got to the point when he said dinosaur bones were put on the Earth to test our faith I simply gave up.  :facepalm:


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
When it got to the point when he said dinosaur bones were put on the Earth to test our faith I simply gave up.  :facepalm:



Don't you mean Jesus Horses? :lol:

I've used the speed of light several time to stump people who tell me the earth is 7000 years old or whatever.

If we know how fast light travels...and we know how far away the stars are...and we can see them...:smile:

After silence I usually here something like "Well maybe the universe was complete and God made the Earth later."  or God made the whole thing at once and backdated the light speeding across the cosmos.  Or something like that.

To this I usually reply if we're going down that road then maybe God made the universe this morning and your life is just an implanted memory.

Then they go-
  :header:


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: Cups]
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I've used the speed of light several time to stump people who tell me the earth is 7000 years old or whatever.




You totally lost me with this half-formed argument. Care to elaborate?


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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If the Earth is only 7000 years old, then light from the stars that are further than 7000 light-years away should not be reaching us.


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: NetDiver]
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That makes no sense.


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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:confused:

You understand math right?


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: NetDiver]
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hmmm, so if the universe is 13.6 billion years old and the visible universe spans 100 billion light-years - how do you account for that?  :grin:

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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: NetDiver]
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That is your detailed explanation?


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: DieCommie]
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Don't distract him from the original premise. This should be good.


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I'm not the original one who made the argument.

But suffice it to say, if the Earth is X years old, the light coming from a star X + 1 light years away should not yet be visible. What do you see wrong with that?


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: NetDiver]
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Still makes no sense. I was born a half century ago, so I am unable to see stars farther than 50 light years away?

:braindamage:


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: NetDiver]
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And yet, the earth is 5 billion years old and we see light coming from a star over 5 billion years away. 

Furthermore, the universe is 13 billion years old and we see light coming from a star over 13 billion years away.

Something wrong with that?

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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Still makes no sense. I was born a half century ago, so I am unable to see stars farther than 50 light years away?

:braindamage:



They also believe the stars are less than 7000 years old.

:braindamage:


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: NetDiver]
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I don't care about 'they'. You asked if I understood math as if I was incapable of doing the calculations. Are you now admitting you made a boo boo?


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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DieCommie said:
Furthermore, the universe is 13 billion years old and we see light coming from a star over 13 billion years away.



This would be from expansion correct? 

Even if a star is 100 billion light years away today when the light originally left the star was <13B light years away.

Samurai Drifter said:
If the Earth is only 7000 years old, then light from the stars that are further than 7000 light-years away should not be reaching us.



OrgoneConclusion said:
That makes no sense.



OK When fundies talk about the earth being 7000 years old they are referencing not just earth, but the universe.  God made the "heavens" and the earth etc etc etc.

So while my argument might not be "technically" correct and account for expansion and stuff like I referenced above...it is sufficient to sow that small seed of doubt in a literalistic interpretation of the bible.


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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If the religious nutjob thinks the *universe* is 7,000 years old, then the argument makes sense, which I think they do because they base this number on Genesis (where the universe and even light is created) plus Jesus' pedigree.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
and graduated near the top of her class. She was shocked to find that those four years of 'studying' fantasy opened no employment doors for her except to brainwash the next generation of soldiers for Christ - preferably at her church or at the same college.

Now she must start all over and go to nursing school (aka science) to get a 'real' job.

Bible college is like getting a degree in Star Warsology.

:facepalm:



She would probably be able to find a job at my high school too. If you have a bible degree or you were in the army they seem to think you are qualified to be a teacher.

This along with the incessant brainwashing that goes on are probably what accounts for how generally low their SAT scores are.


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
I don't care about 'they'. You asked if I understood math as if I was incapable of doing the calculations. Are you now admitting you made a boo boo?



Yes. I should have specified that it wasn't just the Earth that's supposedly 7,000 years old, but everything. :shrug:


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Re: My niece graduated from Bible College [Re: NetDiver]
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OK then, you are forgiven - this ONE time.


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