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Firewalking
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Fire burns.

But if fire does not burn, what can we conclude?

How can someone walk across fire without suffering burns or blisters to their feet?

Note how I worded it. I did not say anything about their ability to handle pain. That seems easier to explain. I want to know: why don't their feet blister? We have all had the experience of touching a hot pan on the stove and immediately blistering up. So what about these people?

Do we now have evidence of the mind's ability to do... gasp... incredible things?

Maybe. Maybe not. :shrug: Personally, I remain open-minded about it.




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The Mystical Mind

Robert Anton Wilson's Quantum Psychology- PDF

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Re: Firewalking [Re: ShroomScape]
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I've seen videos of people doing it without being harmed.  Also monks that could raise or lower their body temp. just through meditation.  All I know is that I'm never going to try it.


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Re: Firewalking [Re: timelapses] * 1
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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

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Re: Firewalking [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:



It's not a testimonial, just reading of other people and their experiences which may be bullshit.  I have my experiences and it's my truth, like the old chinese proverb, maybe so, maybe not.  But to limit yourself to the Western construct of "reality" is not what I choose to do.  I've experienced to much to not be open to others experiences.  But I always have the bullshit detector on, sometimes it's easy to see through and other times not.  But my experience of what is impossible is more amazing than I would have ever thought growing up.


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Re: Firewalking [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:



Is this the piece of paper they gave you when you graduated from uni?

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Re: Firewalking [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:



I MIGHT agree with that picture if no one could produce any evidence of the claim...

But we have video evidence of people doing it.

So, you can brush it aside if it doesn't fit your reality-construct, or you can alter your reality-construct to include the possibility of things like fire-walking. Or you can offer us some sort of explanation/insight. Your choice.


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Re: Firewalking [Re: ShroomScape]
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The reason you are getting jerked around is because this has been debunked way too many times here and elsewhere.

Google is your friend.

Hint: There is a reason it is a brisk firewalk rather than a fire stand. Can you guess why?


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Edited by OrgoneConclusion (03/24/11 10:14 PM)

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Re: Firewalking [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:



Nuh uh! Xtenz really works and now my dick is 14". :yesnod: And even if it wasn't how can 10 million men be wrong? And even if they were, I got more sexual pleasure than before. And even if I dint...


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Re: Firewalking [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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There is an update to an old axiom. Now it goes: There is one born every 14 minute and 37 seconds.


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Re: Firewalking [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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So I stumbled across this video which seems to debunk firewalking:



I guess I jumped the gun in my enthusiasm.

Edit: This video by Michael Shermer also debunks firewalking.



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Robert Anton Wilson's Quantum Psychology- PDF

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Re: Firewalking [Re: ShroomScape]
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Then there is no one who can "firewalk". It needs scientific proof and of course most of all logic.  Mocking is a wonderful tool to show the fools how stupid they are.


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Re: Firewalking [Re: timelapses]
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Anyone can firewalk. It takes no special mental state. The only question is: why do you need to believe this somehow supercedes physics and is indicative of some super-human potential?


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Re: Firewalking [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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So do you believe that no one is capable of "overcoming" physics as you believe them to be?


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Re: Firewalking [Re: timelapses]
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Belief is not required. There has not been single valid example. And the Randi Million stays intact after 20 years of failed attempts.


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Re: Firewalking [Re: ShroomScape]
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ShroomScape said:
We have all had the experience of touching a hot pan on the stove and immediately blistering up. So what about these people?

I burned my middle finger on my oven yesterday, and the little white blister is still there! :bored:


OrgoneConclusion said:
Belief is not required. There has not been single valid example. And the Randi Million stays intact after 20 years of failed attempts.

You've made so many threads on this subject already. :lol:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Firewalking [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Belief is not required. There has not been single valid example. And the Randi Million stays intact after 20 years of failed attempts.


weren't you trying to tell us that you and Icelander are ESP buddies the other day?

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Re: Firewalking [Re: durantz] * 1
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I went to a psychotherapist for a couple of sessions once. She tried to get me to do some of this mind over matter crap and all I could think was "what the fuck is this gonna do?". Anyway I saw that fat bitch drinking a bottle of wine at 10am thurs on the train, saved her!


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
Chat your fraff"

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Re: Firewalking [Re: Grapefruit]
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I haven't done it myself, but it is common practice in the region I am from.

Pain denial is actually part of deharming system. Usually the ritual involves drinking of vodka and shanting with a drum. Body is warmed up pretty good, so the heat doesn't come as a shock and tissue remains calm and stiff, not easy to break or collapse in heat. But the main reason feet are not burnt is that skin under your feet is noticeably thicker than skin anywhere else. Even I have some 20 layers of skin on my barefoot, and you can strenghten it by going barefoot in summer.

Secondly hot coals are not like frying oil on your pan. They have some different physical properties. If you own a fireplace or a furnace, next time some hot red choal drops out while you are stirring burning wood, quickly grab it with your bare hand and throw it in the oven again. I have done this in several occasions and I did not feel anything. When you accidentally touch a hot pan, you are not prepared, when you touch coal, you are prepared. There is alsoe a big difference if you touch the heat only with your skin, or the heat spreads through skin -- I think this is the main point in this. Make your skin strong.

It is not about overcoming physics, it is physics.

If you could not do this, and burn your hand, then I have no more explanation: some people just can, others can not.




Ignore the crap new age stuff.


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Re: Firewalking [Re: ShroomScape]
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Quote:
So I stumbled across this video which seems to debunk firewalking:




I wonder what kind of ordinary techinique explains this guy

Extraordinary people - Iceman


The way the mind perceives something determines how the body responds to it. Not that magical or unbelievable IMO.


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Re: Firewalking [Re: soldatheero]
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:yawn:

Belief, no matter how strong, doesn't alter physics in the slightest.


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