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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Diaboleros]
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If telepathy is physically impossible, how do we explain instincts?


If I like strawberries, how come there is snow on the mountain?


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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Diaboleros]
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I think the fact that all humans are decended from a common ancestor explains the presence of similar instincts through out humanity better than assuming telepathy.


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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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If telepathy is physically impossible, how do we explain instincts?


If I like strawberries, how come there is snow on the mountain?


Because snow falls there. Now try to answer my question instead of completely ignoring it.

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
I think the fact that all humans are decended from a common ancestor explains the presence of similar instincts through out humanity better than assuming telepathy.


If they came from a common ancestor, they should be static, the same for all eternity. Instincts evolve and yet everyone keeps having the same instincts. How do you explain that?

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Diaboleros]
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Your question was a non sequitur, the premise was in no way related to the conclusion - vis a vis my statement.


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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Lol dude, you're doing it again, ignoring my question, you're like going blablabla I can't hear you. How about responding to the question? Stop ignoring me. Where do instincts come from?

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
Instincts evolve and yet everyone keeps having the same instincts. How do you explain that?


People are able to communicate using their mouths to form words and their ears to listen for these words. Much more likely than doing it through telepathy.

It seems most people are not claiming to be telepaths, so how are they getting the information too, according to you?


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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Diaboleros]
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How about responding to the question?


:blah:

Seeing as how this thread is not about instincts and I never claimed to be an expert on such, I respectfully decline.


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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Does seeing the future fall under telepathic powers?

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: oxalic32]
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Are you reading a future persons mind?


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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Diaboleros said:
Instincts evolve and yet everyone keeps having the same instincts. How do you explain that?


People are able to communicate using their mouths to form words and their ears to listen for these words. Much more likely than doing it through telepathy.

It seems most people are not claiming to be telepaths, so how are they getting the information too, according to you?


Everyone's subconscious mind is telepathic, hence intuition. How can you know that your subconscious mind is not shared if you don't even have full access to it?

How do you explain the synchronization of instincts all over the world even with cultures and tribes who have never ever met eachother! Sure they were orignally all one tribe, but the instincts evolved... how did they say the same for everyone?

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
If telepathy is physically impossible, how do we explain instincts?

It is arguable that humans do not even have any instincts, and that the behavior that they exhibit is merely the result of infant/childhood/adolescent conditioning. :shrug:



meatcakeman said:
Or let me ask a better question, have we ever seriously given thought about where instincts come from?

I certainly have! :lol:



meatcakeman said:
To me it seems humanity has never considered how all humans have the same instints, regardless of difference in genes or race or culture or location.

Well, you are wrong, because scientists have been considering this for quite some time now; aren't scientists part of humanity? :strokebeard:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Diaboleros said:
Instincts evolve and yet everyone keeps having the same instincts. How do you explain that?


People are able to communicate using their mouths to form words and their ears to listen for these words. Much more likely than doing it through telepathy.

It seems most people are not claiming to be telepaths, so how are they getting the information too, according to you?


Everyone's subconscious mind is telepathic, hence intuition.

Yeah, and we all know how much more accurate intuition is than logical thought in terms of predicting events! :lol:



Diaboleros said:
How can you know that your subconscious mind is not shared if you don't even have full access to it?

Shared in what way? You describe the mechanism in which telepathy operates.



Diaboleros said:
How do you explain the synchronization of instincts all over the world even with cultures and tribes who have never ever met eachother!

Again, it is arguable that humans do not even have instincs.

Is it really so amazing that organisms of the same species share some similraities? :eek:



Diaboleros said:
Sure they were orignally all one tribe, but the instincts evolved... how did they say the same for everyone?

Prove that they are the same for everyone. :waits:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Diaboleros]
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I had a cosmologist give a presentation at my university on his theory of beginnings of the universe.  It was very complicated and interesting, but there was a part about conciousness I found very interesting.

He was talking about how humans actually get "conscious moments" which he defined as the brain collapsing its own wave function.  He was saying that an electron could have a conscious moment once every 100 million years, where something the size of our brain could have a conscious moment every say 25 milliseconds.  And hence our idea of time is just the flow of these conscious moments.  He said that some physicist hold the theory that there was a conciousness created with the big bang, of all the matter in the universe collapsing its wave function.  And that all conciousness can only arise because of this original conciousness of the big bang.  It could be humans are just nodes in a larger field.  We just don't know yet.

We don't know enough about conciousness to cast off theories of telepathy.  Secondly, some of these theories suggest the believe that we are

These are not fringe scientists, but respectable physicists.

And the statement, that it is physically impossible is absolutely ridiculous.

Before the discovery of X-rays, it was physically impossible to have light rays pass through an opaque object (your hand).  The first evidence of X-rays were published in a newspaper, rather than a scientific journal by the people who discovered it, because they thought the scientific community would cast it off as a hoax.

Our understanding of physics is not large enough to make these claims, and our understanding of what conciousness is even more inadequate.

Imo empathy holds some aspects of subconscious telepathy.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Cannashroom]
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Cannashroom said:
Imo empathy holds some aspects of subconscious telepathy.

The mirror-neuron theory explains empathy pretty well--there's no need to resort to logically baseless psuedo-scientific theories when there are already decent scientific explanations. :shrug:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Poid]
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So what are your thoughs on the 100th monkey experiment? How do you explain the monkeys from different islands suddenly gaining the same skills as monkeys on another island, without physical contact?

I don't know if you're into programming, but object oriented programming, the hierarchical structure of objects gives a pretty good explanation of the mechanics behind telepathy. The hivemind branches off in individual minds. It's not that you can read minds, it's more that we all think the same becaus we have the same base-mind, we all have the same subconscious.

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Poid]
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Yes that bundle of neurons is firing, but that doesn't prove what stimulated them.  That doesn't negate the possibility that the stimulus is coming from something more than visual cues.  Maybe the mirror-neuron system is connected to telepathy?

Furthermore, the neurons firing for empathy are not the same as the hand action mirror-neurons.  They are just implicated in it, there is no strong scientific theory yet, but it is an interesting area of research.

I just have people saying my thoughts all the time. I have seen through my experience the subconscious telepathy function all the time.  And I feel personally that empathy shares some of those qualities.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
So what are your thoughs on the 100th monkey experiment? How do you explain the monkeys from different islands suddenly gaining the same skills as monkeys on another island, without physical contact?

Were they all the same species? :lol:



Diaboleros said:
I don't know if you're into programming, but object oriented programming, the hierarchical structure of objects gives a pretty good explanation of the mechanics behind telepathy.

But does it offer proof?



Diaboleros said:
The hivemind branches off in individual minds. It's not that you can read minds, it's more that we all think the same becaus we have the same base-mind, we all have the same subconscious.

If we all had "the same subconscious", then as soon as one individual person's life ends, then everybody's subconscious would end, too.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:

Diaboleros said:
The hivemind branches off in individual minds. It's not that you can read minds, it's more that we all think the same becaus we have the same base-mind, we all have the same subconscious.

If we all had "the same subconscious", then as soon as one individual person's life ends, then everybody's subconscious would end, too.


That's not true at all.  If your cell phone dies, does the network go down?  You're just a receiver of the signal, not the origination.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: Legitimate Telepathic Powers are Physically Impossible [Re: Cannashroom]
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Cannashroom said:
If your cell phone dies, does the network go down?

No, but since you're comparing the subconscious to cell-phone networks, it would be nice if you offered evidence to prove that this is the way the subconscious works.



Cannashroom said:
You're just a receiver of the signal, not the origination.

So the origin of each human organism's subconscious its brain?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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