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Mikeallojee
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Rye? Rye? Rye? Wheat?
#13769802 - 01/11/11 04:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Searching what the difference between rye and wheat I have come up empty for definitive explanation of why rye is superior to wheat. I have read that rye is cheaper, it has more surface area, the rye holds moisture better and it doesn't burst the cornel when boiling prior to pcing. When I first got into myc i had no choice but to use wheat because thats all there was. But last fall I got a 40lb. bag of rye and have used that. I really cant tell a difference in the two. The only diffence I noticed was that rye cost twice the amount. I would love to hear what your preferred grain is and why. myc
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Base Icks
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If you can manage with wheat use it.
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Mikeallojee
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Re: Rye? Rye? Rye? Wheat? [Re: Base Icks]
#13770465 - 01/11/11 06:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Manage with wheat? I can use either when available im just wondering why so much hype about rye. They seem equally sound to me. I want to hear what the masses have to say though. I think I will do a side by side of wheat and rye with an isolate. myc
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hamloaf
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Mikeallojee said: Searching what the difference between rye and wheat I have come up empty for definitive explanation of why rye is superior to wheat. I have read that rye is cheaper, it has more surface area, the rye holds moisture better and it doesn't burst the cornel when boiling prior to pcing. When I first got into myc i had no choice but to use wheat because thats all there was. But last fall I got a 40lb. bag of rye and have used that. I really cant tell a difference in the two. The only diffence I noticed was that rye cost twice the amount. I would love to hear what your preferred grain is and why. myc
Never had the fortune of working with wheat but I'd work with wheat in a flash. Especially if wheat was the only grain to be found to run mycelium on. One of the life long goals is to move to a place where I could grow my own wheat as well as rye. Growing one's own wheat'll enable said cultivator to grow their own grain for spawn and straw for a bulk substrate.
Learning how to grow rye would be highly gratifying in and of it's self making it worth embarking on the en devour.
My favorite grain to work with right out of the bag is wild bird seed. Found that the varied nutritional content of the mix of grains to speed up colonization a little over rye in cubensis mushroom mycelium. Also find the grain size of the wild birdseed mix superior over rye when it comes to the inoculation of bulk substrates. The smaller size of the wild birdseed mix once fully colonized, allots for more inoculation points of the bulk substrate in an area over rye.
I like working with rye as well. Rye's the easiest grain to not fuck up the moisture content of, can take a hard boil, and is highly nutritious also.
Theoretically, think that the best grain to run mushroom mycelium spawn on would be a varied mix of as many grains one would feel like preparing. Mixing the varied grain supply into a jars or bags at once. Coupled with a 20-25% spent coffee ground or manure tea fortification during the soak.
Grains can also be ground into flour and used in the place brown rice flour for making cakes out of or large cake style flour blocks.
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Mikeallojee
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Re: Rye? Rye? Rye? Wheat? [Re: hamloaf]
#13771217 - 01/11/11 08:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mixing grains is an interesting idea. I suppose one could mix rye and wheat. I don't think one could mix the berries with birdseed though. I think they have different prep times and conditions needed. What I have gathered is that it is just preference and availability as to which grain to use. Thanks for the input. It surprizes me that there isn't more input on the subject but that just confirms there isn't much to debate. myc
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hamloaf
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Mikeallojee said: Mixing grains is an interesting idea. I suppose one could mix rye and wheat. I don't think one could mix the berries with birdseed though. I think they have different prep times and conditions needed. What I have gathered is that it is just preference and availability as to which grain to use. Thanks for the input. It surprizes me that there isn't more input on the subject but that just confirms there isn't much to debate. myc
Well no, rye and wild birdseed couldn't be mixed to be prepared at the same time. Rye and birdseed would have to mixed separately, under their own parameters of preparation. The grain could then be brought together and mixed into jars or bags once hydrated correctly.
The rye is going to become ready to load before the birdseed. The bird seed'll be properly hydrated not long following the rye. Not to much so, however to cause any alarm. If grains are loaded into jars or bags as soon as the grains reach the correct level of hydration.
Edited by liquidmyce (01/11/11 09:47 PM)
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Barakanaten
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Re: Rye? Rye? Rye? Wheat? [Re: hamloaf]
#13771786 - 01/11/11 09:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use this when I want to refer to the nutritional value of grains
wheat seems to swell up and hold a tonne of water compared to the rye. I For my spawn I use a mix of wheat cover crop, Organic Dark Rye berries and WBS WCC/ODRB/WBS
I prep the grains at the same time
I do a quick boil with the grains in the pot or my PC for about 2-5 minutes
then I pour off the water and rinse with the hottest water that will come out of my facet
dump it all in a bucket add some gypsum
boil some water
dump the water in the bucket and close the lid and go to sleep
in the am it should be at max capacity without the bursted kernal issue and allows for a multitude of grains to be prepped at once
in the end it really doesnt matter what grain you use I'll bet genetics and environmental conditions are more important.
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Disgruntled
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i currently use wheat aswell cause i can source it easier and its cheaper for me,. i cant complain about it,. i like WBS also
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EvilMushroom666
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I recently tried out some wheat berries. Here is a link to a few posts I made about them in the Canadian Supplies thread:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13724094#13724094
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Mikeallojee
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Barakanaten said: I use this when I want to refer to the nutritional value of grains
wheat seems to swell up and hold a tonne of water compared to the rye. I For my spawn I use a mix of wheat cover crop, Organic Dark Rye berries and WBS WCC/ODRB/WBS
I prep the grains at the same time
I do a quick boil with the grains in the pot or my PC for about 2-5 minutes
then I pour off the water and rinse with the hottest water that will come out of my facet
dump it all in a bucket add some gypsum
boil some water
dump the water in the bucket and close the lid and go to sleep
in the am it should be at max capacity without the bursted kernal issue and allows for a multitude of grains to be prepped at once
in the end it really doesnt matter what grain you use I'll bet genetics and environmental conditions are more important.
Can you tell a difference in you yeilds when you combine the grains vs when you use them seperately?
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kustah
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i never use rye cos i cant find in my area . i always use wheat and it is working.
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Barakanaten
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Mikeallojee said:
Can you tell a difference in you yeilds when you
combine the grains vs when you use them seperately?
IDK, I'm not sure yet I'm on my first grow, although I have prepped over a hundred jars.....long story its all here in my Glog, its a light read really
here are the fruits my WCC/DRB/WBS Spawn mix
I forgot what I did my MSG with but I'll go back through the log and see, I think I might have used only rye on the MSG, its in fruiting now and I guess we could compare it....
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