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Another Mono/ShotGun hybrid, MSG .
    #12904783 - 07/15/10 09:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Right. So I bought two 80 litre tubs. I'm leaning towards Mono shotgun hybrids. MSG for short.

I'm leaving on holiday for ten days on Sunday, so I got to get these done today and/or tomorrow.

I cant decide if the hybrid is what I want to do for sure. I already have an 110L SG. I'm thinking the worst case scenario is that I can either,

A)Love it.

B)Hate it, and tape up holes and cut some to make it a standard mono.

C)Finish  drilling  the  bottom  and  get  more  perlite and  make it  a  standard  SG.

D) Do one of each to have two experiences at once.(Mono and a MSG)

My plan is as followed.

Two MSG's

Drill holes every two inches except for the bottom 4 inches, and the bottom of course.

Mix horse poo that has been mixed with 10% verm, and 5% gypsum dry.

Pasteurize using RR tek, but in double bagged cooking bags instead of jars. Allow to cool to room temp.

Insert bag to be used as liner. Tape into place in bottom four inches of tub. Cut off excess.

Layer poo first, then spawn in repeating layers with a 1:5 ratio of Rye grain(I'm low on spawn), ending with poo on top.

Place lid on. Bag whole tub in a black bag and tie up. Maybe even double bag it since my bags are a bit thin. I want to make sure its nice and dark in there.

Questions

1) Should I seal the cooking bags with poo in them when I pasteurize?

2) Do I seal the bags around the tubs? They must not be air tight and provide a bit of GE correct?

I'm sure they'll be more questions lower down the thread :wink:

Also any tips, pointers, opinions, or thoughts are welcome.

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Base Icks]
    #12904999 - 07/15/10 10:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I know Damion50/50 is doing a mono/sg hybrid also so we'll see. :grin:

Doc_T did a mini mono/sg hybrid that worked fine. :super:

Id do 1 of each. :mushroom2:


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: 13shrooms]
    #12905764 - 07/16/10 03:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for having a look!

I'm just trying to make sure that I have all my bases covered.

I like to be thorough(I hate forgetting things and then messing up as a result. Lists make my life easier).


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Base Icks]
    #12905878 - 07/16/10 05:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: eVenom]
    #12905905 - 07/16/10 05:58 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for reminding me. I really wanted to document this as best I could. I hope my camera is off its rag so I can get some decent pics.


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Base Icks]
    #12906040 - 07/16/10 07:24 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

For question 1 you can do shea25's easy pastuerizing tek if you don't feel confident using bags.

Question 2 I did not seal the bags.  Now my tubs were 65 quarts and the garbage bags were not big enough so I had to use two of them.  Slip one on from the left then another on from the right and one sat on top of the other in the middle of the tub.  So basically the bags overlapped cause the first bag only covered about 70% of the tub.


I did not seal them I left them on loosly.


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Damion5050]
    #12906105 - 07/16/10 08:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the advice. I just dont have enough jars to do it in. Jars are expensive or hard to come by here. I'm using recyled food jars for my grains atm. I have a big pot. I dont know almost a 5 gallon or something like that. I dont have any buckets though. I'm thinking I might have to just throw it all in the pot and bring it to field capacity and warm it up and mix it? I'm scared of it burning on the bottom though it i dont stir it enough.

Actually This makes more sense. Follow your tek but use the big pot as a bucket. It has a lid so should be good.

I need about 21 liters of substrate. I have 2 liters of Vietnam , spawning to 9 liters for a 5.5 ratio at 7.5 cm depth. 3 liters of brazil to 12 liters of substrate for a 5 ratio.

Now I'm trying to figure out how much water to add to this. Does your recipe make ten quarts?


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Base Icks]
    #12906119 - 07/16/10 08:12 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

A brick of coir will expand to roughly 8-9 quarts then I add 2 quarts of verm soooo my coir recipe is basically some where between 10-11 quarts of bulk substrate.


You could do the pillow case tek if need be.  You put your hydrated bulk substrate in a pillow case then get your water up to temp.  Once your water is up to temp put the pillowcase full of substrate in the water for 1-2 hours at 140-160 degree water then when its done you let it cool you then take the pillow case out and ring out your substrate.

If you do a search you can find the pillow case pasteurizing tek on the site.


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Damion5050]
    #12906122 - 07/16/10 08:14 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Damion5050]
    #12906135 - 07/16/10 08:25 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for that. I've always thought that the water would leach out nutrients.

I still think I'm going to just modify your tek slightly.

Obviously sub the poo.

I've made a recipe equation to get the amount I need out of it. Its the same ratio just scaled up 2.2 times.

1430g dry poo
4.4 quarts verm
8.8 quarts water.

Converted to liters for my ease :tongue:
verm 4.2L
water 8.4L

and using a metal pan instead of a plastic bucket. I hope the pan doesn't eat the heat :tongue: But with 8.8 quarts of boiling water it should be fine right?

Actually i think i might boil the water in the pan, Mix the ingredients dry and add all at once right when i turn off the heat. Think that would be ok? I know its a bit experimental?

Sorry I'm making my head spin too. :rofl:

I need to get started in a few minutes. :header:


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Base Icks]
    #12906160 - 07/16/10 08:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well best of luck, cant wait to see pics.  I am off to run to the store and grab some coir.  I got 3 tubs to make and no coir..


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Damion5050]
    #12906194 - 07/16/10 09:01 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

HAHA I just had to run about a mile to get more poo from my allotment. Only had half as much as i needed in the house. It was all dry and mostly ready to go just got to crumble it a bit more.


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Base Icks]
    #12906342 - 07/16/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

LoL I hope you literally ran.


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Damion5050]
    #12906421 - 07/16/10 10:23 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I did. and ran back with a backpack full of poo and two trash bag bags full. Probs about a half mile while i had water boiling. Had to break it up more than i thought too. was more chunky than i remember :lol:

Well i did it. temps went up to 180 for a couple of minutes so i stirred the shit out of it. ended up pouring it into a tub and back into the pan for a quick cool off. Maybe first 5 minutes max at 180. now sitting at 160 exactly and has been for a half hour.

Next time im boiling in something else so that the pan it self its self isnt hot. 

Think thats ok? the 5 minutes at 180 i mean.

Drillin holes now.

Will post pics later.


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Base Icks]
    #12909219 - 07/16/10 08:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

just some pics. Commentary tomorrow.




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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Base Icks]
    #12920995 - 07/19/10 07:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think my sub was a bit to wet. When i squeezed it hard, it was a stream for 3-4 seconds. I didnt know what to do with it at the time and wanted to handle it as little as possible to prevent contams. If it doesnt work out I learned the hard way. Will make it that much more exciting when I do pull it off I guess.

You think I got a chance with it being that wet?


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: Base Icks]
    #12921008 - 07/19/10 07:51 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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You think I got a chance with it being that wet?




Prolly not. Better to fix it now than later.


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    #12921053 - 07/19/10 08:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: anonjon]
    #12921074 - 07/19/10 08:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have added verm to mine while its still hot with no problems


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Re: Any tips or corrections on my first Mono Shotgun Hybrid mission? MSH [Re: anonjon]
    #12921078 - 07/19/10 08:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Pics look ok though... is it squishy? Or just a bit juicy?


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