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Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb?
    #4209009 - 05/23/05 04:31 AM (12 years, 9 days ago)

I added 105ml water to 100g of wheat grain and it ended up too wet. I microwaved off the water and the grain looks far better now but it works out at a water content of only 55ml per 100g grain. This seems too low, but is it?
How much water does rye/wheat absorb when soaked for 24hrs. Many only soak and can get good results without simmering.

I prefer a drier grain as nearly all of my wetter substrates have contaminated in the past. Dry ones seem more forgiving (I am not a clean room user)


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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: blackout]
    #4209155 - 05/23/05 06:08 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

>I added 105ml water to 100g of wheat grain and it ended up too wet.

Before you pressure cooked it?!

>a water content of only 55ml per 100g grain. This seems too low, but is it?

55m water and 100 g dry grain or 55% water content?

The first is far too little, the second is ok.


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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: Anno]
    #4209233 - 05/23/05 09:25 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

I added 2100ml water to 2kg of wheat and steamed (I am trying to fractionally sterilize) so it weighed 4100g.
This seemed very wet though it was still hot and I know it appears drier upon cooling.

Sorry, I meant it ended up as though I had only added 55ml per 100g grain prior to cooking. i.e. I microwaved it and it ended up 3100g (which would mean 1100ml added to 2kg grain). It has now cooled and looks just a little dry, but looks good to me, as I mentioned I prefer a drier grain since it seems to resist contams more.

I have previously just soaked and pc'd without simmering but I never checked the water content, but it looked about the same as what I have now. I know Agar only soaks 24hrs and has good results.

Since it is being fractionally sterilised I can add more water to the mix, but I want the grain to stay as dry as possible. What is the lowest water content that you would hope to still see growth with?


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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: blackout]
    #4209451 - 05/23/05 11:28 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: kronnyQ]
    #4209606 - 05/23/05 12:35 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: blackout]
    #4225805 - 05/27/05 11:00 AM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Well I worked it out for myself.
20g of wheat grain soaked in room temp water for 24hrs ended up 31.5g which is just a tiny bit more water than my bags which were 2000g and ended up 3100g. The extra 50ml of weight will be added by a healthy dose of LC.

I am putting the 20g of grain in water again and will give the 48hr weigh in when I have it.


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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: blackout]
    #4225823 - 05/27/05 11:06 AM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Wheat grain seems to be behaving differently than rye grain, as it absorbs way less water, according to your results.

When I did a similar test with rye, the weight of absorbed water roughly matched that of rye.


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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: Anno]
    #4225848 - 05/27/05 11:18 AM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Very interesting. Wheat and rye look almost identical. My cooked grains look far more moist than these soaked ones. The cooking must puff them up a lot.


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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: blackout]
    #4225919 - 05/27/05 11:43 AM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Verm. Absorbs twice it's weight....

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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4226037 - 05/27/05 12:37 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

where can i find a rye substrate recipe?


lookin all over the site and can't seem to find it...


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    #4228035 - 05/27/05 10:13 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: Liquidkick]
    #4228674 - 05/28/05 01:28 AM (12 years, 4 days ago)

A good rule of thumb for working with grains from wbs to rye to popcorn, wheat, etc., is to soak and/or boil the grains until they double their original size. After that, get the outside of the grains as dry as you possibly can before loading the jars. All the moisture you need is on the inside of the kernel. Any method you use to achieve this will be fine.
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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #4229495 - 05/28/05 11:02 AM (12 years, 3 days ago)

48hrs on and it weighs 32g so it seems like it absorbs most of what it can in 24hrs (it was 31.5g after 24hrs)


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Re: Soaking rye for 24hr. How much water does it absorb? [Re: blackout]
    #4274779 - 06/09/05 05:08 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

After 7 days soaking it weighed 38.5g. I added water and microwaved them once for 25mins and they were very dry. I added some LC and they are starting to colonise. Maybe after 7 days all the endospores have germinated and been killed by a simple microwaving. I will have to wait and see if they contam. They were rinsed 4-5 times in cold water over the 7 days
One of my 2kg dry wheat bags which was 3090g colonised fairly well and then got some green.
My other bag was 3300g and about 20-30% colonised and then stalled with many dry grains. I added about 250ml of sterile water to the bag to see if it will jump start them again.


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