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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: PreparationH]
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Almost every other country has prohibition, too.  It certainly is stupid but I feel almost zero effect from it.  The single greatest source of oppression for me is the IRS.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Stonehenge?  :facepalm: We put men on the moon.  Do you think the people if Rome or Egypt had the freedoms that people in America today do?  Polynesia?  They had fucking cannibals.  Portugal?  What of it?  They're totally fucked.  The bill for their freedom from work is come due and it isn't pretty.



1. can you prove to me we put people on the moon?
2. all of what i mentioned were built BY HAND!
3. wasn't using Rome and Egypt as examples of freedom but of human accomplishment :facepalm:
4. america also has cannibals. and romans were child molesters. you are now trying to inject morals into this discussion.

:stanhopefacepalm:


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Almost every other country has prohibition, too.  It certainly is stupid but I feel almost zero effect from it.  The single greatest source of oppression for me is the IRS.


So you don't believe in paying for roads, social security, police, etc?

I mean, I agree there is a lot of wasted money in govt. don't get me wrong, but the basic premise that you shouldn't have to pay for services is kinda an immature attitude I think.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
The single greatest source of oppression for me is the IRS.




at least we agree on something. you know Ron Paul wants to outlaw income tax and disband the IRS?


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said:
zappaisgod said:
Almost every other country has prohibition, too.  It certainly is stupid but I feel almost zero effect from it.  The single greatest source of oppression for me is the IRS.


So you don't believe in paying for roads, social security, police, etc?

I mean, I agree there is a lot of wasted money in govt. don't get me wrong, but the basic premise that you shouldn't have to pay for services is kinda an immature attitude I think.




:congrats:


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: broken]
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closed veil said:
zappaisgod said:
The single greatest source of oppression for me is the IRS.




at least we agree on something. you know Ron Paul wants to outlaw income tax and disband the IRS?


:rofl2:

who in the fuck do you think is going to pay for infrastructure and social services then? Your parents?

Really- you don't get something for nothing. You have to pay for it.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said:
zappaisgod said:
Almost every other country has prohibition, too.  It certainly is stupid but I feel almost zero effect from it.  The single greatest source of oppression for me is the IRS.


So you don't believe in paying for roads, social security, police, etc?


Roads and police?  Yes but mostly on a state level.  Maybe 10% should be federal.  Social security is a Ponzi scheme that the politicians have embezzled money from for decades.
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I mean, I agree there is a lot of wasted money in govt. don't get me wrong, but the basic premise that you shouldn't have to pay for services is kinda an immature attitude I think.


It isn't the services I get that I pay for that bother me.  It is that I pay so fucking much for so many services I don't get.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said:
closed veil said:
zappaisgod said:
The single greatest source of oppression for me is the IRS.




at least we agree on something. you know Ron Paul wants to outlaw income tax and disband the IRS?


:rofl2:

who in the fuck do you think is going to pay for infrastructure and social services then? Your parents?

Really- you don't get something for nothing. You have to pay for it.


I get nothing for a whole lot of something.  I also am your parents.

If they don't stop spending, and Ron Paul dips deep in the federal earmark trough himself, then it won't really matter what form the tax oppression takes.  It will still take.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: nicechrisman]
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ummmmm no need to lol. i'm not stupid. i understand how taxes for services work. i said "income taxes" and "IRS". plenty of other shit too tax and the IRS is just a red tape machine that insures the rich can take advantage of the tax system while the poor are fucked.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: broken]
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closed veil said:
DeadHearts said:
DieCommie said:
Given that we are and have been for several decades the finest example of human freedom and accomplishment in the history of mankind


LOL you can't be serious


I think he is right on the money with that one.


Are you fucking serious??



for those of you who think the usa is "the finest example of human freedom" have you ever heard of Portugal? for those of you who think the usa is "the finest example" of  "accomplishment in the history of mankind" have you ever heard of the Roman empire? The Great Pyramids? Easter Island? Stonehenge? i mean Polynesians made it all the way to Hawaii, maybe even main land america in canoes...


Did you forget the transcontinental railroad, commercial air-travel, or Neil Armstrong?  You have a point about our so called "freedoms", but I think our nation has accomplished quite a bit over the last couple hundred years or so...


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But so does the human experience.. which is like fire, sometimes you just need to stoke the coals and sometimes you just need to add a log or reposition the log matrix. But a well built fire will be much more self-sustaining than a poorly built one, and they all need love to grow. And don't fuck around or your might burn yourself. Must always respect the fire. - Shroomism

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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
nicechrisman said:
closed veil said:
zappaisgod said:
The single greatest source of oppression for me is the IRS.




at least we agree on something. you know Ron Paul wants to outlaw income tax and disband the IRS?


:rofl2:

who in the fuck do you think is going to pay for infrastructure and social services then? Your parents?

Really- you don't get something for nothing. You have to pay for it.


I get nothing for a whole lot of something.  I also am your parents.

If they don't stop spending, and Ron Paul dips deep in the federal earmark trough himself, then it won't really matter what form the tax oppression takes.  It will still take.


You ARE my parents? That's quite an assumption to make. I'm 35, well older than most members here.

As far as social security goes, my dad didn't work overly hard his whole life, and is now enjoying his social security retirement. I don't really see the problem. He sure doesn't


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Given that we are and have been for several decades the finest example of human freedom and accomplishment in the history of mankind I reject your call for us to clean our house impeccably first.  The perfect being the enemy of the good and all that.

I'm really not going to do this all over again in the fucking Pub.  This thread does not belong here.  There is a Politics forum for politics.  Go there.


"I must create a system or be enslaved by another mans; I will not reason and compare: my business is to create."
- William Blake


Man and all creatures on earth are free naturally...

Government...Does not give you freedom :etbig:

I think Washington would be ashamed anyways.

Edited by TeamAmerica (01/04/11 12:45 PM)

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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: nicechrisman]
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I'm 54.

Your father got ripped off by soc sec.  Badly.  If he had kept the money taken for soc sec and invested it a Dow indexed fund (yes, even now) he would have been collecting more money from the interest and dividends, never touched the principal, and left you with a nice inheritance.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Ron Paul is a grandstanding moron.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/256150/new-isolationism-alvin-s-felzenberg
Just one example.


I don't see how your example shows that Ron Paul is a grandstanding moron.  He wants to cut the military budget by less than 10% over the next decade.  How much did military spending increase during the Bush years?


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The fire has many things to teach.
But so does the human experience.. which is like fire, sometimes you just need to stoke the coals and sometimes you just need to add a log or reposition the log matrix. But a well built fire will be much more self-sustaining than a poorly built one, and they all need love to grow. And don't fuck around or your might burn yourself. Must always respect the fire. - Shroomism

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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: Happy2fly]
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Happy2fly said:
closed veil said:
for those of you who think the usa is "the finest example of human freedom" have you ever heard of Portugal? for those of you who think the usa is "the finest example" of  "accomplishment in the history of mankind" have you ever heard of the Roman empire? The Great Pyramids? Easter Island? Stonehenge? i mean Polynesians made it all the way to Hawaii, maybe even main land america in canoes...


Did you forget the transcontinental railroad, commercial air-travel, or Neil Armstrong?  You have a point about our so called "freedoms", but I think our nation has accomplished quite a bit over the last couple hundred years or so...




read the second post on page 3 dude, all ready went over this.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I'm 54.




sucks to be you, man.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: Happy2fly]
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Happy2fly said:
zappaisgod said:
Ron Paul is a grandstanding moron.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/256150/new-isolationism-alvin-s-felzenberg
Just one example.


I don't see how your example shows that Ron Paul is a grandstanding moron.  He wants to cut the military budget by less than 10% over the next decade.  How much did military spending increase during the Bush years?


Military spending is a legitimate expense of the federal government.  By that isn't the only example of his grandstanding bullshit presented in that article.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: broken]
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closed veil said:
zappaisgod said:
I'm 54.




sucks to be you, man.


You should be so lucky to live so long.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I'm 54.

Your father got ripped off by soc sec.  Badly.  If he had kept the money taken for soc sec and invested it a Dow indexed fund (yes, even now) he would have been collecting more money from the interest and dividends, never touched the principal, and left you with a nice inheritance.


Yes, but the majority of US citizens either wouldn't do this, or would be either too dumb or lazy to do this. This would leave tons of people absolutely broke. If the government didn't force us to save for retirement, many people of my parents' generation would be fucked, then the government would have to come up with a whole other system of having to deal with all these broke ass senior citizens who couldn't afford to pay for their medical issues. What then- "Death Camps"?:lol:

I'm not saying it's a perfect system by any means, or that it's not corrupt, I'm just saying I think the nation as a whole would be a lot worse off without it.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
closed veil said:
zappaisgod said:
I'm 54.




sucks to be you, man.


You should be so lucky to live so long.


i would be lucky and i doubt i will.


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