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offspring of mental silence
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I'd like to share a few (many) things I've 'discovered' through various means thus far. Mental silence, moment-action-sensation focus, to name a couple, are (I think) large players in the genesis of these ideas.

Please, let me know what you guys think.

To start off, here is this:
"Idle thought and internal dialogue are persistent and stimulating because they inherently imply a tangible reason for their existence and continuation. The evolutionary intent of this mental faculty is for application to physical interaction with the organism’s current or habitual environment (physical surroundings), which explains their psychophysiological effects and persistent nature. Emotional states are perpetuated due to this persistence."

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: a6754]
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"It is human nature to apply the truths of individual experience to all experience."

"Detachment from all attachments enables enjoyment in its purest form. Seperate from all, it is an isolated, passive experience, free from any burden of the past or future, free from all desire. It is insignificant, it is fleeting, it is beautiful, being fully free of fear."

"If there is no connection to current sensation, there is no connection to reality. The future is not reality, neither is the past. They are but memories and possibilities, respectively, thus no physical interaction (the base of sensation) with them is possible."

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: a6754]
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"Our actions are greater, in a multitude of aspects, than our thoughts. Action is the mediator between the will and the real. It is the effector of the tangible, and of tangible change."

"Why react to your own reactions? That is, why feel more unpleasant due to the fact that something caused you to feel unpleasant in the first place?"

"Why react to possibility? There's a clear difference between probability and possibility. Possibilities are infinite and can be based on, literally, anything. Probabilities are limited and are based on likelihood. An all too common mental pitfall is the basis of worry/stress on possibility. Even basis on probability, though a more legitimate base, has its problems. Instead of reacting to either one, why not evict you expecations and react to what actually happens?"

"Sensation (an unelaborated elementary awareness of physical stimulation: touch, sound, sight, smell, etc...) provides the clearest picture of the world that the human brain can create. Thoughts are murky-at-best reflections of sensation. For the clearest picture of what's really going on around you, and not simply what your beliefs urge you to perceive: focus on sensations, not thoughts. Thought is not our enemy, but it certainly isn't always our friend."

"Tangible events naturally invoke negative feelings (emotions - stress) on their own. Why reinforce the negativity with conscious thought directed toward the stimulus? Thinking about it changes nothing, and only increases the intensity of the emotional response."

"People are animals, though they often forget. The conscious experience cleverly disguises emotionally based decisional deliberation as unadulterated choices indicative of free will. In reality, we're all primarily chasing instinctually positive emotional states; conscious thought being a means of more effectively acquiring such states."

"Effort spent matching social norms is effort wasted. Effort spent contributing to society is effort wisely invested."

"The idea of selfishness only exists within the social conceptions of others and is relative to the observer of the perceived selfishness. For example, one can easily appear as fully altruistic, but actually be focused only on his/her own will."

"The idea of selfishness only exists within the social conceptions of others and is relative to the observer of the perceived selfishness. For example, one can easily appear as fully altruistic, but actually be focused only on his/her own will."

"Each emotion paints perception in its own hue. The way you feel naturally influences perception. Prior emotions & persistent emotional states affect reactions to external (tangible, the real world) and internal (imagined, internal dialogue) stimuli. Generally, this effect is one of increased likelihood that the reaction will reinforce the prior emotion or emotional state. When angry, humans are more likely to react in a way that will fit in with that anger (by means of conscious thought, especially), and thus reinforce that anger."

"Throughout history, humans have given supernatural explanations to the questions that they couldn't answer based on what they knew. These questions have always, when knowledge caught up with curiosity, turned out to be wrong."

"Anger has its base in attachment and belief."

"Your environment and biology explain the bulk of your psychology."

"The more unaware a human becomes of his animal nature, the more unaware he becomes of his nature. It is this lack of awareness that leads to memory-based rationalizations and otherwise absurd intellectual behaviors. It also imparts a lack of understanding in regards to the herd, both individually and collectively."

"The problem of the self concept is the supposition that there exists an aspect of the individual that is capable of exerting decisional influences independent of environmental and biological influences... as if the mind of the 'self' could act indepently of the body's built-in drives."

"Sensation is the window through which humanity assimilates reality."

"If a statement, be it uttered internally or externally, contains the word should, any variation of should, or the concept of should, its genesis was belief, attachment, or both."

"Truth is only as valuable as its applications to the human experience of the tangible will allow."

"Mastery of the human nature is attained through the art of detachment. A lack of attachment nowhere nearly spells shallow relationships or a shallow experience of life. Attachment is not a condition of enjoyment, it is a product of fear."

"Awareness only penetrates the subconscious as deep as belief, attachment, and idle thought will allow."

"The human inescapably reacts to all forms of thought, and especially so to attentionally reinforced thought. This is nothing more than the body reacting/responding to its executive organ. The brain is the administrator of the human nature. All the more reason to selectively dismiss, and selectively attend, to mental chatter."

"Bullshit catches on quickly because humans would rather know than not know, even if what they know is wrong. As long as the human experiences the (mis)information as fact, it makes no difference what its factual status is."

"Memories and instinctual impulses direct decision making. Free will is nothing more than the name humans have assigned to these biological processes. We are inherently driven by our environments and our biology. Free will is a comforting illusion of the human experience."

"Feelings are a product of biology; not a universal law, not a universal truth. They are in essence, meaningless. This is no noose. This is freedom from the oppression of the human condition. Be as free as you’d like, but be human, too. Some feelings have effects worth taking advantage of. If you’re alive, why not live?"

"React to your physical surroundings (reality); not to your beliefs, expectations, or idle thoughts. Expectations and idle thoughts are inescapably generated with belief as their base, regardless of the factual status of those beliefs. It is human nature to react more to the world within our heads than to reality itself. This aspect of our nature is the cause for countless sufferings."

"Beliefs are just memories that the human is comfortable with applying broadly. They are memories that he or she experiences as an accurate depiction of reality."

"It is in the conquest for excess that humans do the most harm."

"You don't tangibly affect the world by looking at it or thinking about it, you have to touch it. If your utmost effort is without a physical counterpart, it's not much of an effort at all."

"Make yourselves continuously aware of humanity's inherent desire for the feelings of certainty. It is likely that this persistent desire is the cause for many of your daily sufferings."

More to come, but probably later.

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: a6754]
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hmm
1 - take the last statement in the first post , see if you can make it devoid of any unnecessary words, there is power in simplicity , = potency

2. those ideas seem sound and nice, consider not putting " " around each one, as this takes up cognitive space, it should be a fluidsinglemessage , with or without punctuation, only as appropriate to keep the origin  ( divinity , etc, PRESENCE ) in tact.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~ will is key , the human  ( humming ? ) is not here to annihilate the self , the nirvana is an increase in capacity and awareness, not an annihilation, therefore to seek what is good , is a good use of will power ,


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: leery11]
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leery11 said:
hmm
1 - take the last statement in the first post , see if you can make it devoid of any unnecessary words, there is power in simplicity , = potency

2. those ideas seem sound and nice, consider not putting " " around each one, as this takes up cognitive space, it should be a fluidsinglemessage , with or without punctuation, only as appropriate to keep the origin  ( divinity , etc, PRESENCE ) in tact.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~ will is key , the human  ( humming ? ) is not here to annihilate the self , the nirvana is an increase in capacity and awareness, not an annihilation, therefore to seek what is good , is a good use of will power ,


What is "good"?


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Live your Life! :heart:

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: 4896744]
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"What is good"

A mental concept.


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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: a6754]
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I don't get the 'offspring' part... :confused:


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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: Wynn]
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good is the ground and experience of being alive and existing, with or without accentuated supreme and transcendent states of awareness

good is the foundation of the self's will , without impediment, the word does not matter, the point does . in that sense no ideas are worth defending, rather, modulating to form agreements, and leaving territories alone, and much much more .

the good , the reality of freedom, the experience of the self can be diminished or accented and expanded by the person ,

the movement of a self negationist , those who wish to negate the experience completely to find a truth, non thinking, abandoning thought, getting beyond everything , this is still the ground from which i describe

it does not matter but it also does .

the ego is afforded with temporary wealth, and from that ivory tower it may poke at and harm others, but ultimately it has come from mystery and in total vulnerability , almost a living constant death as a baby , also incredibly high , it was kept alive ,

this evil petson , we might say , was nurtured an dkept alive, with or without love, he was as frail and vulnerable as any human can ever be, and at some point , ideally speaking, will also become that frail in death and dying,

so whil ea person may be given temporary wealth from which to harm and hate others, this will ultimately cascade away from that person and the death is inevitable

a foundation of freedom and moderation , the center of here and now , the peace of annihilating the hate of the mind and the falsity of the ego, the place from which pride and avarice, hatred and ignorance are allowed to play with dangerous toys

this is good ,
the understanding that in death infinite horror and hell like a psychedelic that won't stop and won't let you change the channel, but the idea only existing to describe something : that the opposite, good , can exist, and be an experience of normality , in our every day reality

both through getting rid of not needed ego mechanisms, and also through existing in gratitude and the bountiful freedom that arises from doing so in any rational manner

this is good ,

the ability to see clearly , to experience one self in a positive way as opposed to hell : baby without limbs, person in a war zone, person living in iraq

all these things the ego can rise onto a house of cards to mock, to hate, to ridicule, to say behold i am mighty , and it will fall and be frail, and it will be no more , ever again , that way ,

it can easily transmute into horror, so what is good ?

a concept yes , but a reality of being free from the impediments that man has shackled himself within , in the mind , that is good ,

good is tao , and more than that, the very impetus for existing , what is needed for some men to submit to rational balanced living, kindess to others, is sometimes a lifetime or even many countless of calamity and horrible misfortune

good is recognition of mortality in gratitude and grace, good is what causes someone to cry in joy, beauty and more than that

one might say that all those things are phenomenon and not the core of reality , and in so that, the core of reality is that good in a formless and eternal manner .

the ego is given time to be proud, time to be hateful, time to be arrogant, but it can never b e immortal from such a vantage point , collapse is inevitable,

the nihilist in us should seek unity with infinite good through the process of "negation" , letting go .

good is the recognition of the self as creating a future , a future that is worth experiencing, and the opposite of that is obvious in many people that , if they were able to discern , would awaken from many miseries and have a happy reality together.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (12/27/10 07:45 PM)

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Mental silence has birthed these realizations.

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: a6754]
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Quote:
"Idle thought and internal dialogue are persistent and stimulating because they inherently imply a tangible reason for their existence and continuation. The evolutionary intent of this mental faculty is for application to physical interaction with the organism’s current or habitual environment (physical surroundings), which explains their psychophysiological effects and persistent nature. Emotional states are perpetuated due to this persistence."


whatever idea this is, it has been so brutally over-edited that it would no longer recognize itself in the mirror, a semantic plastic surgery disaster O.o


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: a6754]
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How do you convert your realizations into words? Are you satisfied with the translation?

I suspect there are two domains: the world of Man, which is all we know; and the world of "God", which is unknowable. Perhaps mental silence connects the two, but once that connection is severed, we revert right back into the hubris of our minds.


I seek to follow the wisdom of these two quotes, even though I constantly disregard them.

"The mind makes a good slave, but a terrible master"
"He who knows does not speak, he who speaks does not know"


Best of luck in your journeys.


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Experience is free, lunch is not.

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: Wynn]
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Wynn said:
How do you convert your realizations into words? Are you satisfied with the translation?

I suspect there are two domains: the world of Man, which is all we know; and the world of "God", which is unknowable. Perhaps mental silence connects the two, but once that connection is severed, we revert right back into the hubris of our minds.


I seek to follow the wisdom of these two quotes, even though I constantly disregard them.

"The mind makes a good slave, but a terrible master"
"He who knows does not speak, he who speaks does not know"


Best of luck in your journeys.


Why should there be a "world of god"?


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Live your Life! :heart:

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: 4896744]
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Why should there be a "world of god"?

Good question, doubt I can answer it.

Many people rely on beliefs for that answer, but personally I *think* beliefs are hindrances, so I try to avoid them.

According to many 'enlightened masters' God is timeless, without form, everything and nothing simultaneously; but my mind can not grasp such descriptions, so I've stopped asking my mind for help.

I mostly rely on feelings, but using words to describe those are woefully inadequate.


Upon review, I see I did not answer your question, so I should have just said, "I don't know", and been done with it. :ooo:


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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Those were the first words that came to mind. What is difficult to understand about the idea?

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: Wynn]
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Wynn said:
How do you convert your realizations into words? Are you satisfied with the translation? The same way I convert biological wills and instincts into words. I'm happy with them all,  but surely each could stand to be improved.

I suspect there are two domains: the world of Man, which is all we know; and the world of "God", which is unknowable. Perhaps mental silence connects the two, but once that connection is severed, we revert right back into the hubris of our minds. What makes you think that? It appears to be explainable through a conscious/unconscious mind connection.


I seek to follow the wisdom of these two quotes, even though I constantly disregard them.
"The mind makes a good slave, but a terrible master"
"He who knows does not speak, he who speaks does not know". I like these, a lot!!


Best of luck in your journeys. Thank you very much:)


Replies in bold.

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: a6754]
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Idle thought and internal dialogue are persistent and stimulating because they inherently imply a tangible reason for their existence and continuation. 


Actually our internal monologue (who else would be conversing with?) not only consists of denotations (referents to the sensory-existential world), but also connotations (emotional tones and poetic/rhetorical hooks).  As such, humans can be moved into action even by words which have no real meaning or reference in actuality (you'll find this everywhere from politics to advertising and much of organized religion).

Quote:
" The evolutionary intent of this mental faculty is for application to physical interaction with the organism’s current or habitual environment (physical surroundings), 


While our minds do busily label and package our experiences, I'd suspect that its evolutionary intent is to share these maps with others, across time, allowing each generation to add new categories to our mental library. 

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which explains their psychophysiological effects and persistent nature. Emotional states are perpetuated due to this persistence." 


I think that our reasoning facilities aren't to blame as a catalyst for perpetuating emotional states.  Rather, most people, most of the time, are more controlled by their emotional circuitry, and that their ability to reason is entirely vulnerable to its manipulation.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: offspring of mental silence [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said:

Actually our internal monologue (who else would be conversing with?) not only consists of denotations (referents to the sensory-existential world), but also connotations (emotional tones and poetic/rhetorical hooks).  As such, humans can be moved into action even by words which have no real meaning or reference in actuality (you'll find this everywhere from politics to advertising and much of organized religion). We actually already see eye-to-eye on this. What's the why behind your use of 'actually?'

While our minds do busily label and package our experiences, I'd suspect that its evolutionary intent is to share these maps with others, across time, allowing each generation to add new categories to our mental library. I agree with you. Evolutionary value would have been the better word for me to use.

I think that our reasoning facilities aren't to blame as a catalyst for perpetuating emotional states.  Rather, most people, most of the time, are more controlled by their emotional circuitry, and that their ability to reason is entirely vulnerable to its manipulation. They are, though. No doubt, emotions increase the likelihood of engaging thought patterns that will perpetuate and exacerbate that emotion, but conscious thought, in itself, acts as a potent reinforcer of both reality-based and possibility-based (imaginary) emotional stimuli.


Answers in bold. I like your style man. Good mind.

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