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Christianity / Religion
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So ive been reading through a thread on another forum I frequent and the thread is about religion. Ive read one persons story on how his mom was giving birth to him, blacked out and saw her dead husband telling her it wasnt time for her yet, and that he would watch over her and his son. She then saw jesus walking towards her and came back to reality and had the kid.

Also Ive realized that the bibles tales are all metaphors and I dont really think drug use is against the bible code, as it promotes doing what you think is right.

Anyone religious here?

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #1]
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ok....no respones lol.

How about any general opinions on religion? Whats your thoughts on religions?

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #1]
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lol

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Most humans through history have believed in some sort of religion because it probably has some type of evolutionary advantage.  It provides hope and without hope, people would just say fuck it and kill themselves.  Why bother with life? There is no fucking point to this retarded mess called life if there is no God or afterlife.  It's much easier to muddle through life if you can go to the Big Rock Candy Mountains after its over.

And then some crafty motherfuckers convinced the gullible that they represented God on earth and religion became organized to control people and resources.  Priests could rape boys, people would tithe, Popes and Kings were at the top of the Great Divine Chain of Being, and people like you would spend their lives trying to shake off the bullshit lies that their parents and neighbors brainwashed into their innocent young minds.

That dopey story in the original post was a delusion/hallucination/lie/wishful thinking created by a desperate person undergoing a pivotal and stressful moment in her life.  People see UFOs, demons, angels, and Elvis.  They are all under a grand and common delusion that uses archetypes filtered through their culture. 

Read Carl Sagan's A Demon Haunted World if you want a critical analysis of this bullshit.

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Most humans through history have believed in some sort of religion because it probably has some type of evolutionary advantage.  It provides hope and without hope, people would just say fuck it and kill themselves.  Why bother with life? There is no fucking point to this retarded mess called life if there is no God or afterlife.  It's much easier to muddle through life if you can go to the Big Rock Candy Mountains after its over.

And then some crafty motherfuckers convinced the gullible that they represented God on earth and religion became organized to control people and resources.  Priests could rape boys, people would tithe, Popes and Kings were at the top of the Great Divine Chain of Being, and people like you would spend their lives trying to shake off the bullshit lies that their parents and neighbors brainwashed into their innocent young minds.

That dopey story in the original post was a delusion/hallucination/lie/wishful thinking created by a desperate person undergoing a pivotal and stressful moment in her life.  People see UFOs, demons, angels, and Elvis.  They are all under a grand and common delusion that uses archetypes filtered through their culture. 

Read Carl Sagan's A Demon Haunted World if you want a critical analysis of this bullshit.


Wurd.

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Having studied many religions, my favorite was Norse mythology, Valhalla and Odin and the like.

So, a couple years ago I was in a knife fight and bleeding pretty hardcore in the hospital. I was extremely thirsty and my legs were giving out, and just as they got a stretcher over to me, I started hallucinating like crazy (I attribute it to DMT now, although I hadn't tried it at the time).

Anyway, I looked at a couple girls I was with and watched the visuals transform them into psychedelic Valkyrie women with mechanical wings, Norse helmets, and intricate markings on their body armor. I started laughing hysterically which scared the shit out of the girls, but I never lost consciousness and the visuals subsided once I was hooked up to an IV.

The point of this story is that I was raised Evangelical Christian, so I expected an archetype of the Christ figure (which I would've dismissed since it isn't real), but instead got Valkyries b/c my brain favors that religion and thinks Valhalla battlefields are way cooler than an eternal church service. So that was my proverbial light in the tunnel.

NDE hallucinations are a construct of our consciousness. A pleasant way to leave, if you will. Their content differs depending on what you expect or hope for but should not be read into too much, IMO.

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Anonymous #3 said:
Most humans through history have believed in some sort of religion because it probably has some type of evolutionary advantage.  It provides hope and without hope, people would just say fuck it and kill themselves.  Why bother with life? There is no fucking point to this retarded mess called life if there is no God or afterlife.  It's much easier to muddle through life if you can go to the Big Rock Candy Mountains after its over.

And then some crafty motherfuckers convinced the gullible that they represented God on earth and religion became organized to control people and resources.  Priests could rape boys, people would tithe, Popes and Kings were at the top of the Great Divine Chain of Being, and people like you would spend their lives trying to shake off the bullshit lies that their parents and neighbors brainwashed into their innocent young minds.

That dopey story in the original post was a delusion/hallucination/lie/wishful thinking created by a desperate person undergoing a pivotal and stressful moment in her life.  People see UFOs, demons, angels, and Elvis.  They are all under a grand and common delusion that uses archetypes filtered through their culture. 

Read Carl Sagan's A Demon Haunted World if you want a critical analysis of this bullshit.


Are we not living a grand illusion right now? I FEEL like this is simply a dream, and you are all constructs of it, here to serve a purpose of progressing my understanding of it all, of life, before it ends. Its scary to think like that because it feels like it IS the answer. Or maybe, this is a dream my SOUL is having, with the same constructs, and a test is being given to me, having to endure a lifetime of friends/strangers dismissing religion and its values, and being left to decide for myself if there is merit to the notion of a living God afterwards.

Maybe its a giant cosmic mess where matter just exists for no good reason whatsoever and we are lucky (or unlucky) enough to be at a conscious level to experience some of it. I think the latter is very unlikely. Why does something exist for no reason at all? Sometimes I feel like once the answer comes to me, as it does to others, life will end for me. But most likely you or I will not have a true answer in the life OP, or anyone else.

SO if you want to believe in Christianity, I don't think it is a copout at all, that is the choice you make, and it affects nobody but you, and hopefully in a good way. In the end what does it matter what you believe in or what anon 3 believes in? It probably doesnt. So believe in what you want and be happy with your life.

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #6]
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well. there's religion and spirituality.

Christianity is a religion per se.

If one could accept and develop his/her spirituality to the fullest, there would be no need for religion to fuck us up. But we are humans.

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #7]
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Religion and spirituality are two parts of the same spectrum.  Religion has a power structure with you at the bottom and the priests at your cock or in your wallet whereas spirituality is a bit more libertarian.  Either way they both interpret reality through magical sunglasses and defy all logic, observation, and critical analysis.  It's wishful thinking.

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #3]
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edited cuz i dont give a fuck

Edited by Anonymous (12/14/10 01:48 PM)

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Anonymous #3 said:
Either way they both interpret reality through magical sunglasses and defy all logic, observation, and critical analysis.  It's wishful thinking.


How can either defy all logic when the facts are unknown?

There is no indisputable evidence explaining what happens after one dies. Furthermore, because this subjective experience is occurring through my consciousness (and what I could hypothesize to be yours through yours), after I die, how do I know the entire universe doesn't cease to exist? For all I know, it will, because without my consciousness to interpret all of this, there is nothing. Or maybe my consciousness will awake in a field of space poppies 10 light years away, 100 billion years from now. Maybe it will awake in heaven, or in hell.

Nobody can prove otherwise, because it is impossible to experience death and death of your conscious mind, and be able to talk about it. This is why I feel it is a mistake to try and disprove any possibilities, because it could all be very possible, beyond the scope of short lived human intellect. Another mistake is when we base our judgments of religion/spirituality through criminals who have exploited it for their own gains. There are criminals/thieves/pedophiles everywhere, not just in religious exercise.

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #6]
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I agree, no one can prove or disprove any of your musings. But you are not talking religion or spirituality, you are merely speculating about life and death.  Once you suggest knowledge, answers, or even a fucking clue to these issues, I call bullshit.  And once you claim any mystical, magical, or supernatural events, I call delusion or lie.  When you suggest spirit, soul, gods, angels, demons, or dragons, my rational and skeptical and critically thinking faculties distinguish between fantasy and reality.

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Re: Christianity / Religion [Re: Anonymous #3]
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GOD IS GREAT


but not to africa........






:kelsoburn:


There is no god you kids will realize that as you grow older, see and look at the world around you.  Agnostics are mental midgets

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