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 Sombie
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 Trip sitters, bad for trip? 
#1361803 - 03/10/03 02:58 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've noticed that a lot of people who have trip sitters also have bad trips, I haven?t done any actual research or anything, just some thing that crossed my mind. I have never had a bad trip, and never felt the need to have a trip sitter.
Maybe trip sitters stop you from going with the flow? Maybe people who feel the need to have a trip sitter are more paranoid and worry to much about a bad trip. And this induces one? Maybe some people just get shitty sitters that interfere to much? Or maybe I am just talking out of my ass?
I really think people should just relax, and not worry about getting a trip sitter.
Anyway, I would like to hear your thoughts on this. oh and I am talking about Mushrooms and LSD, at normal dosages, not insanely high dosage trips or powerful, blow your mind out of the water stuff like DMT, and Salvia. But as far as Acid and Mushrooms at normal dosages go, its seems like people should just go in their room by themselves, dim the lights, and turn on some music, and do whatever they want.
(And also know the tricks to help stoping a bad trip like the back of their hand, so they can almost act like their own trip sitter)
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Edited by Sombie (03/10/03 03:00 AM)
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: Sombie]
#1361831 - 03/10/03 03:17 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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actually, trip sitters cause the exact opposite to happen. as one spirals into a bad trip, they look over and see a friend, a reassuring link to their ego and this current reality. it keeps them grounded and prevents them from freaking out.
as for acid and mushrooms at normal dosages, I say that's a waste of my time. I trip harder but less often. (then again, I have never felt the need for a trip sitter either. I have had whole conversations with people before they even realized that I was on mushrooms or acid, which only happened after I explicitly told them. even then, they hardly believed me until they looked at my pupils.)
my point is, some people cannot handle psychedelics and end up going crazy. a perfect example: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=20041 this guy was not insane or mentally unstable; he simply chose a bad time to take acid, and now he's in jail for it. I've heard hundreds of other similar stories (my friend's friend from back home bit a friend's thumb off while on a quarter of mushrooms.)
better to have a trip sitter (who at the very worst does nothing) than to have someone get hurt.
I THINK IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THIS: if you cannot handle the trip, do not take the drug. =)
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Edited by TheEggman (03/10/03 03:19 AM)
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Sombie
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: TheEggman]
#1361847 - 03/10/03 03:25 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, but what about more people who have trip sitters having bad trips? (again, just from me looking at trip reports and thinking to myself "jeez, these people had trip sitters and still had a bad trip" and I just now noticed I say that alot, maybe its just in my head tho)
I think that maybe some trip sitters are like "NO! don't do that! it will make you have a bad trip!" and that is obviously bad for a trip. or maybe people who feel the need to have a trip sitter are already really parinoid.
I think it is just best to trip with someone else who is also tripping. Chances are, even while tripping, both of you are not going to decide that the celing is crawling with spider-aliens out to get you or whatever.
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: Sombie]
#1362003 - 03/10/03 04:50 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've heard stories of people on acid loosing control to the point that they start bashing their head against a wall. the result: they are legally retarded from that point on. whenever i try a new drug, i always have a sitter nearby, i don't usually let anyone intervene on how i feel, thats usually not necessary, but in case i lose control of myself, i want the sitter around to make sure i make it out of the experience alive, and not dancing on the T tracks naked b/c it made sense at the time. if i lose control like that on a drug, meaning i need a sitter every next time i take the drug, i simply don't take it. when i sit for other people i take the same approach.
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Sombie
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well, if that person had some other people tripping with him, I am sure they would have been sensible enough to stop him.
also how much acid did he take?
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: Sombie]
#1362031 - 03/10/03 05:05 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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well, if that person had some other people tripping with him, I am sure they would have been sensible enough to stop him.
also how much acid did he take?
would have, could have, should have. a fool learns from his own mistakes, a wise man learns from others.
i don't know how much acid he had, but knowing the experiences i've had on shrooms during a bad trip on just a gram and half (probably the most potent shrooms i've ever heard of) but i can imagine it possible for someone to do it on just a normal dose of acid.
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when i tripped i had a sitter, and he was pretty cool about it, just ignoring me pretty much the whole time.
the only bad thing about it was after a couple hours, he asked me if i was done, and i said yes (stupid i know, but i didnt think there was any way he couldnt tell i was joking), so then he proceed to tell me the biggest thing of his whole life.... once it started i couldnt stop it, so he was telling me his innermost secrets and asking me for help, and im watching the pattern of the bathroom sink flow like a waterfall and melt down into the floor.
afterwards i told him i wasnt done and he felt bad and insisted that i trip again to make up for it. so it wasnt bad. : )
oh-- one more plus thing-- he came to check on me after i almost suffocated in my blankets, so that was nice.
i think the first time anyone tries something they should have a sitter, but afterwards it is up depending on how they did.
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I've found that having sober people around can mess up a trip......... not really make it a bad trip, but it definately makes it wierd. I find that on shrooms I get a kind of connection with my buddies who are also frying, but you don't get that kind of connection with sober people, and they kind of end up feeling like outsiders, and then a wierd vibe can start flowing.
I've found that as long as you know what you're doing and don't do anything stupid (including taking a stupidly high dose), you're pretty damn safe.
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: Turd]
#1362241 - 03/10/03 06:24 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have to smoke SALVIA on my own and go against the major rule of having a sitter present because seeing a familliar face just fucks my 'journey' up and I don't get any deep, dream like, hallucinatory effects. Just a bit 'giggly' and I end up making a fool of myself when trying to explain what's going on... Usually a mouthfull of SALIVA pours out instead of words.
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: Turd]
#1362445 - 03/10/03 07:38 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree.. a sober person is good to have around if something goes wrong.. however.. just the thought of you flying and them not.. that can make things uncomfortable.. bad feelings/vibes can snowball when on drugs.. thats my 2 cents. 
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: pillsbury420]
#1367039 - 03/11/03 05:43 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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A friend of mine told me what a former friend of mine did. She took a hit of acid and had a bad trip and she was banging her head off the coffee table for like an hour. Scary shit. I did a half hit of window pane and was trippin pretty good, but I won't do acid again. Too intense for my liking. I like shrooms (well except when I have a bad trip of course)
I have had trips with trip sitters and they have made my trips nothing but positive. My one friend is full of positive energy all the time and I don't think I could ever possibly have a bad trip with her around. She makes me feel good about myself and is just a great friend to be around sober or on drugs  She doesn't do drugs but loves to see people on shrooms
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Edited by TRaNcE_TriPPeR (03/11/03 05:47 PM)
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Trip sitters are over rated ond defietly not required on mushrooms. As long are you are mentally stable, you are not going to go jump off of your house or stab someone while on mushrooms, no matter how many you eat. Plus, alot of the time you look like your in great agony from an outsiders perspective, but really you are enjoying yourself to the max. And when some sober fool is constantly bugging you to make sure your ok, it can kind of get annoying and take some fun from the exoperience. I would never trip with just a sober person. Someone has got to be tripping with you too. If not, just do them alone. There is no way a shroomers mind, and a sober mind could relate to eachother in even the minutest of ways. So avoid the sober people while on shrooms....
I'm not saying having sober people around is a total trip kill and you will be regreting it. I'm only saying that you WILL have a much better time with tripping people around. GUARANTEED. SD1
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: Shroomadelic1]
#1412030 - 03/26/03 03:26 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the point of trip sitters was missed by the original poster. The trip sitter is not there to stop the tripper having a bad trip. That is totally up to the tripper. Though, if you are going to have a trip sitter while you trip, it would be dumb having a person there that you weren't COMPLETELY comfortable with, i could imagine that sending you into a bad trip.
The trip sitter is there just in case you get out of control and/or start to cause yourself or others harm, not to stop a bad trip. Just make sure they dont try to hinder your experience, like shroomadelic1 said, constantly bugging you to see if youre ok: you would need to explain to your sitter NOT to do that, and just to let you trip.
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: shoe]
#1412214 - 03/26/03 04:36 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think a trip sitter is good, particularly if you're unfamiliar with the amount of mushrooms you're taking. Trip sitters are definately best when they're tripping, but not total balls so if you were to light your hair on fire they would probably notice. If you're an experienced tripper I don't think one is neccisary.
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: KackleDude]
#1412439 - 03/26/03 06:36 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd say it all depends on the sitter
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: Nirvana]
#1414078 - 03/27/03 09:39 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have to smoke SALVIA on my own and go against the major rule of having a sitter present because seeing a familliar face just fucks my 'journey' up and I don't get any deep, dream like, hallucinatory effects. Just a bit 'giggly' and I end up making a fool of myself when trying to explain what's going on... Usually a mouthfull of SALIVA pours out instead of words.
That's true. I think tripping without a sitter could make it better but I haven't had the guts to try it yet. A sitter isn't always annoying but can subtract from the experience. It must be someone you trust and someone who won't laugh when you say or do something silly.
I aslo try to explain my experience sometimes, even when I make up my mind not to say anything before the trip.
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: cybrbeast]
#1414175 - 03/27/03 10:20 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's all about what your intentions are in the trip...
Firstly if you are doing an average dose of mushrooms or a drug which you are familiar with than, NO I would say don't bother with a trip sitter...
But I would recommend a trip sitter if:
You are going to be taking high doses where you intend to experience a Level 4 or 5 type experience such as ego loss.
You are taking a drug which you are unfamiliar with.
You are taking a drug which can lead to death from overdose..
But!!..... if you have a bad sitter better have none at all.
Tips to finding a good sitter:
You should know them quite well.
You must completely trust their judgement and their motives.
They MUST be an experienced tripper or completely understand how to handle a tripping person.
They must be able to make quick decisions in case of emergency (ie when to call an ambulance and when not to.)
They should'nt be tripping but could take a low dose to be on a similar wavelength..
They should know not to interfere with your trip unless you are physically harming yourself or are becoming extremely unstable.
They should be prepared for spending the duration (depending on substance) with a raving babbling retard and not give you a guilt trip for taking so long...
Oh yeah and this one:
If you are a big person with violent tendencies you should have 2 or 3 people who are much bigger than you who know how to administer IM valium  or preferably don't trip.
Hmmm that's about all I can think of... If your trip sitter doesn't fit most of those categories I would think twice about having them around... because they are most likely to bum you out.
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: mesq]
#1415626 - 03/27/03 09:02 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was talking mainly about Salvia. I sometimes get a bit paranoid when using it if an (annoying) sitter is present.
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: cybrbeast]
#1415710 - 03/27/03 09:53 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know when my friends and I trip together, we seem to be on the same level. If someone is there with us who is not on the same level, things start to become a little wierd. There are certain, goofy things that we all do when we are tripping, and since everyone is tripping, no one seems to worry about it. But if there is a sober person, be it a sitter or just a friend, we feel like we cant do everything we want to and we try to control the trip. And we all know what happens when we try to control a trip.
On the other hand, If you are going through a trip that is especially rough, or you are pushing the limits, it is good to have someone that at least can check in on you sometimes. However when I/my friends trip, I always prepare for the worst and put sharp/harmful objects away and always have a room that we can go to if we need to chill. Something with pleasant pictures and a lot of light. This seems to help out and reassures us that everything is ok.
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Re: Trip sitters, bad for trip? [Re: Sombie]
#1416868 - 03/29/03 01:11 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guides are much better than sitters. I'll be taking my friend through his first mushroom experience in a few days and I plan on taking a low dose just so I can be on the same level as him.
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