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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Joy without context?
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I love jokes, mainly because I love to laugh. Sometimes I think about how it's strange that the laughter resulting from listening to a joke depends on the existence of the joke and my exposure to it, as if the joke itself is an excuse to experience the joy it caused. To me, it seems rational to want to experience this joy as often as possible, without needing a preceding joke. But what would be the context behind such joy? Does one need to be happy about something in order to be happy, or can one experience happiness without anything to back it up?


Does joy require context?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Poid]
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First what is Joy?? My understanding is, Joy is a response, to external events "suppose" to be funny. You can recreate that joy internally without needing that exact external algorithm. Simply meditate close the eyes and reexperience that joy. No need to watch a movie for it, or hear a joke for it. Its already there just got to go inward.

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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Poid]
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Being itself is joy.  Removed of any connotations, the simple act of existing beings happiness. It's just our outward attachments and failure to stay in the moment that makes something like a joke necessary to feel good. imo.


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Re: Joy without context? [Re: g00ru]
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Does joy require context?



if you remove all context there is nothing but joy :lsd:


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Edited by the bizzle (11/15/10 08:45 PM)

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Re: Joy without context? [Re: the bizzle]
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Your avatar is joy :lol: I can't believe that shit used to scare me when I was little, it's so funny.

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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Poid]
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Unless your mind needs joy to have a context, joy itself doesn't need one.


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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Chronic7]
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p4kSouL said:
First what is Joy??

I would say there are two types of joy--the immediate type (e.g ike laughing at a joke), and the more sustained long-term type (i.e. overall happiness).


p4kSouL said:
My understanding is, Joy is a response, to external events "suppose" to be funny.

Why "suppose"? I think it is a response to things that an individual finds to be comical.


p4kSouL said:
You can recreate that joy internally without needing that exact external algorithm.

Really? How am I supposed to start laughing in exactly the same manner that I do at a joke without hearing a joke? What would be the substance of the laughing?


p4kSouL said:
Simply meditate close the eyes and reexperience that joy. No need to watch a movie for it, or hear a joke for it. Its already there just got to go inward.

I would say that all of our emotions are "already there".



guruu said:
Being itself is joy.  Removed of any connotations, the simple act of existing beings happiness. It's just our outward attachments and failure to stay in the moment that makes something like a joke necessary to feel good.

Existing is not an act, it's a state; I'm not saying that jokes are necessary to feel good, but it seems to me that one cannot experience the exact same type of joy that results from hearing a funny joke without hearing a funny joke--laughter seems to nee to have some substance behind it (e.g. What are you laughing at?).

Laughter without substance seems schizophrenic IMO. :crazy2:



the bizzle said:
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Does joy require context?



if you remove all context there is nothing but joy :lsd:

The implication being that joy necessarily has no context? :undecided:



c0sm0nautt said:
Your avatar is joy :lol:

So is yours. :whacker:



The Chronic said:
Unless your mind needs joy to have a context, joy itself doesn't need one.

I just can't wrap my head around this--all of our emotions have reasons, why would joy be any different?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Poid]
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Laughter without substance seems schizophrenic IMO.

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Why sir, purely substance based laughter is the best kind. :mushroom2: :lmafo: :yesnod:


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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Grapefruit]
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there's nobody laughing :rainbowcloud:


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Re: Joy without context? [Re: g00ru]
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laughing at the joke that no one spoke...



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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
The Chronic said:
Unless your mind needs joy to have a context, joy itself doesn't need one.

I just can't wrap my head around this--all of our emotions have reasons, why would joy be any different?


Its hard to describe how this is possible, but say you find joy in a joke, another person may be totally disgusted by the joke, so the joke is not the joy, its how it filters through your mind, and everything is like that, it is not the object itself as every object is equally joyful

Its like joy is space
Your mind is an object in space
You see another object in space that your mind wants
When you finally get it & feel joy, all you are doing is feeling the space as the mind has stopped

This space has no cause, no beginning point, so it is causeless joy


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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Chronic7]
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Grapefruit said:
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Laughter without substance seems schizophrenic IMO.

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Why sir, purely substance based laughter is the best kind. :mushroom2: :lmafo: :yesnod:

Touchè. :lsd:



guruu said:
there's nobody laughing :rainbowcloud:

What is that faggy-ass cloud laughing at? :mad:



The Chronic said:
Poid said:
The Chronic said:
Unless your mind needs joy to have a context, joy itself doesn't need one.

I just can't wrap my head around this--all of our emotions have reasons, why would joy be any different?


Its hard to describe how this is possible, but say you find joy in a joke, another person may be totally disgusted by the joke, so the joke is not the joy, its how it filters through your mind, and everything is like that, it is not the object itself as every object is equally joyful

Exactly, those filters are the context, and without the joke nothing would pass through them.


The Chronic said:
Its like joy is space
Your mind is an object in space
You see another object in space that your mind wants
When you finally get it & feel joy, all you are doing is feeling the space as the mind has stopped

I'm not sure I'm grasping this, may you elaborate? :smile:


The Chronic said:
This space has no cause, no beginning point, so it is causeless joy

How can that space have no cause? Nothing has a beginning point without a reference point to compare it to...


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
The Chronic said:
Its like joy is space
Your mind is an object in space
You see another object in space that your mind wants
When you finally get it & feel joy, all you are doing is feeling the space as the mind has stopped

I'm not sure I'm grasping this, may you elaborate? :smile:



Joy is like the substratum of all things, but we play in creation pretending joy comes from the things
Our desire is like a tension inside us, so when the object desired is gained then the tension leaves the underlying space as it is, joyful


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The Chronic said:
This space has no cause, no beginning point, so it is causeless joy

How can that space have no cause? Nothing has a beginning point without a reference point to compare it to...


It has no cause as it never had a starting point, you can never pin down infinity to say 'this' is when it began, it simply exists endlessly
Its only knowable by recognizing it as your own nature, by diving within your Self & experiencing that spacious endless peace

9000 posts, i'm out this bitch! :leaving:

If you guys ever wanna chat PM me :heart: :peace: :aum:


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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
Poid said:
The Chronic said:
Its like joy is space
Your mind is an object in space
You see another object in space that your mind wants
When you finally get it & feel joy, all you are doing is feeling the space as the mind has stopped

I'm not sure I'm grasping this, may you elaborate? :smile:



Joy is like the substratum of all things, but we play in creation pretending joy comes from the things
Our desire is like a tension inside us, so when the object desired is gained then the tension leaves the underlying space as it is, joyful


Quote:
The Chronic said:
This space has no cause, no beginning point, so it is causeless joy

How can that space have no cause? Nothing has a beginning point without a reference point to compare it to...


It has no cause as it never had a starting point, you can never pin down infinity to say 'this' is when it began, it simply exists endlessly
Its only knowable by recognizing it as your own nature, by diving within your Self & experiencing that spacious endless peace

Eh, I don't really buy the "joy is the substratum of all things" theory. :shrug:


The Chronic said:
9000 posts, i'm out this bitch! :leaving:

Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9.........

Why are you leaving at the 9,000 mark? That's pretty fuckin' random, but whatevs...:lol:


The Chronic said:
If you guys ever wanna chat PM me :heart: :peace: :aum:

Will do, but you will be missed in the forums. :smile:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Poid]
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He could have had over 9000 posts.  :sadyes:


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Re: Joy without context? [Re: deCypher]
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What the hell? :undecided:

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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Poid]
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Edited the link to Youtube, but haven't you ever browsed Encyclopedia Dramatica before?  :lol:


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Re: Joy without context? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
...but haven't you ever browsed Encyclopedia Dramatica before?  :lol:

:shake:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Joy without context? [Re: Poid]
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You've missed out on many opportunities for joy then.  :smirk:


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Re: Joy without context? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
He could have had over 9000 posts.  :sadyes:

I love that show! :yesnod2:


deCypher said:
You've missed out on many opportunities for joy then.  :smirk:

Yeah I'm used to it. :stoned:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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