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Re: Interesting talk by U.G Krishnamurti for anyone pursuing enlightenment by any method [Re: Deviate]
    #19270926 - 12/13/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What you are saying is like saying "I suspect that we would like to call "happiness" is really just a chemical reaction unfolding in our brains. No. Happiness is an EXPERIENCE.



"Happiness" is totally a brain chemistry thing.  In my opinion.

In the lab, they've hooked rats' brains up to electronic detectors, stimulated certain portions, and the rats appear to experience ecstatic convulsions.

The ecstasy we experience on certain drugs (provided our biologies permit) is a brain thing.

The electro/chemical "brain guards" responsible for screening out "unessential" info from our consciousnesses are temporarily disabled, and the mystery comes pouring in.

Some peoples' brains do not permit this.

It's a brain thing, 100 percent.

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Wasn't it you who disagreed with me earlier about the sense of separateness being illusion? if so, that is ironic. What is the separate self then, if there is no separate will? What is the individual self?



For me it's not an "either / or" thing.  In the same moment, I am both a separate entity AND inseparable from the mystery that is existence.

Seen through my desires and my longings, I am a separate entity.  "Desireless," I am part and parcel of the whole.

Chapter One of the Tao Te Ching.


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Re: Interesting talk by U.G Krishnamurti for anyone pursuing enlightenment by any method [Re: all this beauty]
    #19270984 - 12/13/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

happiness is usually experience for me too

experience without thought

I don't subscribe to the chemical universe, but to mind is all

science can be nice though.. but I am not my thoughts or my brain


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Re: Interesting talk by U.G Krishnamurti for anyone pursuing enlightenment by any method [Re: all this beauty]
    #19270988 - 12/13/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes youre right, separateness and oneness co-exist simultaneously. We are God's children and yet at the same time we are God.

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"Happiness" is totally a brain chemistry thing.  In my opinion.

In the lab, they've hooked rats' brains up to electronic detectors, stimulated certain portions, and the rats appear to experience ecstatic convulsions.

The ecstasy we experience on certain drugs (provided our biologies permit) is a brain thing.

The electro/chemical "brain guards" responsible for screening out "unessential" info from our consciousnesses are temporarily disabled, and the mystery comes pouring in.

Some peoples' brains do not permit this.

It's a brain thing, 100 percent.




How is it possible to miss the point so completely? Let me put it to you like this, why do you post on the shroomery instead of just staring at your computer screen? I mean, the shroomery is just pixels on a screen right and the same is true of your empty screen. Therefore I suggest you cancel your internet service and save yourself the cash and just stare at your screen. Its the exact same thing, pixels on a screen.


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Re: Interesting talk by U.G Krishnamurti for anyone pursuing enlightenment by any method [Re: lessismore]
    #19271050 - 12/13/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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mio said:
happiness is usually experience for me too

experience without thought

I don't subscribe to the chemical universe, but to mind is all

science can be nice though.. but I am not my thoughts or my brain




I agree, I believe that the physical world is a manifestation of deeper realities. What appears to be physical reality is really "mind stuff" or energy which has seemingly hardened into solid matter. But even that is beside the point. My point is that even if happiness is caused physically or chemically as it is in the case of if you ingest a euphoric drug, its not the chemical state that you call happiness, its the experience. Otherwise how else would you even know the difference between happiness and sadness? Do you open your brain and look at its chemistry to decide whether you or happy or sad? So ridiculous. We can only even say "this chemical state correlates with happiness" because someone said they experienced happiness. Therefore happiness is an experience first and a chemical state second. Its like we could say happiness is donuts and cider. Is happiness really cider and donuts or do cider and donuts lead to an experience we call happiness? see how the experiences comes first. If I have a bunch of chemicals in front of me I dont say "these chemicals are happy". happiness is an experience and i have no reason to believe that chemicals can feel happiness by themselves without a suitable host and even then, its the host who feels the happiness and not the chemicals themselves.


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Re: Interesting talk by U.G Krishnamurti for anyone pursuing enlightenment by any method [Re: Deviate]
    #19272106 - 12/13/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Let me put it to you like this, why do you post on the shroomery...



Boyfriend, you are posting here on a forum dedicated to spirituality and mysticism while the vast majority of males who match our demographics are on forums dedicated to discussing how big Britney Spears' tits are.

You and I aren't "special."  We've done nothing particularly "extra" to get us here.  We're here because our genes -- our biologies -- have brought us here.

To repeat (ad nauseum) something I've said in other posts:

Some people take LSD and see God.  Some people take LSD and experience hell. 

Now why, oh why, is that -- do you think?

Is it because we're "gifted" and they are not?  Or because we have "worked hard," and they have not?  Surely you appreciate the humongous ego-attachment such beliefs reflect.

Biology determines destiny.

Spiritual and otherwise.


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Re: Interesting talk by U.G Krishnamurti for anyone pursuing enlightenment by any method [Re: all this beauty]
    #19272378 - 12/13/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:  A longish lifetime of experience has led me to the same  conclusion.

Certainly wasn't was I was hoping to be true.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Interesting talk by U.G Krishnamurti for anyone pursuing enlightenment by any method [Re: all this beauty]
    #19272629 - 12/13/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all this beauty said:

Boyfriend, you are posting here on a forum dedicated to spirituality and mysticism while the vast majority of males who match our demographics are on forums dedicated to discussing how big Britney Spears' tits are.

You and I aren't "special."  We've done nothing particularly "extra" to get us here.  We're here because our genes -- our biologies -- have brought us here.

To repeat (ad nauseum) something I've said in other posts:

Some people take LSD and see God.  Some people take LSD and experience hell. 

Now why, oh why, is that -- do you think?

Is it because we're "gifted" and they are not?  Or because we have "worked hard," and they have not?  Surely you appreciate the humongous ego-attachment such beliefs reflect.

Biology determines destiny.

Spiritual and otherwise.




Right on. :thumbup: I used to think I was special for thinking I was "in" on the know about matters of life way back...

Now I just see Philosophy as a hobby that I tend to really enjoy. Me philosophizing on the couch is no different than a dude who loves to practice shooting some hoops. Neither me nor the dude are doing anything virtuous or ultimately more meaningful -- and that's the best part now that I think about it. We're both just two people enjoying what we love to do. :smile:


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Re: Interesting talk by U.G Krishnamurti for anyone pursuing enlightenment by any method [Re: r72rock] * 1
    #19273852 - 12/14/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What a healthy and imo realistic attitude.  Telling oneself that I have a direct line to the ultimate is just ridiculous.  It's DA at it's most intense. :satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Interesting talk by U.G Krishnamurti for anyone pursuing enlightenment by any method [Re: all this beauty]
    #19277161 - 12/15/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all this beauty said:
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Deviate said:
Let me put it to you like this, why do you post on the shroomery...



Boyfriend, you are posting here on a forum dedicated to spirituality and mysticism while the vast majority of males who match our demographics are on forums dedicated to discussing how big Britney Spears' tits are.

You and I aren't "special."  We've done nothing particularly "extra" to get us here.  We're here because our genes -- our biologies -- have brought us here.

To repeat (ad nauseum) something I've said in other posts:

Some people take LSD and see God.  Some people take LSD and experience hell. 

Now why, oh why, is that -- do you think?

Is it because we're "gifted" and they are not?  Or because we have "worked hard," and they have not?  Surely you appreciate the humongous ego-attachment such beliefs reflect.

Biology determines destiny.

Spiritual and otherwise.





I wasn't arguing that we were somehow special, or denying the role that genes play in our behavior. I tried to make that clear but I don't know how else to explain it.


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