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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Chubba]
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I don't see any difference between people bludging off welfare, a useless soldier, overpaid politicians, tax exemption for religion or any of the other millions of ways governments waste a shitload of money.



Those are separate issues with their own complex problems and solutions. Irrelevant.
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You must have your head up your ass to believe that the lack of funds for welfare is due to people described in the OP.



And the flame, real nice.


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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Chubba]
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Just so everyone knows.  It costs the taxpayers a little over $3.00 in taxes in order to distribute $1 worth of welfare payments to the needy.  That discrepancy is due to the inherent inefficiencies of government. 

So, that $400 they get a week is really $1,200 we are collectively paying.  If everyone in america turned in one person they knew to be committing welfare fraud we wouldn't be as fiscally fucked every month :smile:

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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Chubba]
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I personally don't see an issue in stealing from a corrupt government who is out to get my money in the first place. They don't like it? Too bad, tell them to draft my ass to Afghanistan. I don't support the shit they're doing so why should I pay for it? Besides, I didn't ask to be born here. If immigration laws weren't so strict I'd have been in Canada years ago.

But if these people were assholes about it, more power to you. I don't know if what you did was the right thing, but it's sure far from wrong.

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Re: Welfare:( [Re: blujay]
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OP, you're in the right.

When you break the circle you have no right to live.

Love those worth loving. Destroy those that are scum.

Its not like these are fine, upstanding citizens. People like this tend to fuck people over. Karma's a bitch.


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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Chubba]
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Chubba said:
I don't see any difference between what the OP did and what a narc does.

My first conviction came from a shitty neighbour that believe smoking cannabis was wrong... didn't affect her... but it is illegal and she thought it was wrong then dobbed me in.



You're dumb then.

You're right, she shouldn't have narced you, you were committing a crime to which no victim could be claimed. But, you are also not the smartest for not keeping pot use behind closed (and in my house usually locked) doors.

Stealing from the government steals from it's constitutents. We are what makes the government go. We suffer when it spends in excess. What part of this is hard to understand>?


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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Enigma of Ankou]
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Enigma of Ankou said:
blujay said:
It recently came to my attention that some people I know are not only using the food stamps, but doing it massively fraudulently. There are four of them, living in a trailer- up to their knees in their own filth, hardcore weed addicts, each with a job at a fast food place within walking distance. These people would put pot before food, seriously.

So, they already bring in a good amount of money and not having to pay for food, the trailer nets 400$ for food stamps each week. I had never thought about it before because they never had any food in the damn hellhole, but then this guy asks me if I want to buy out his vision card. Then it struck me:

Here I am, sitting here about to go work one of my three jobs, I can barely afford my rent, car insurance, bills, while I eat my last gala apple and try to pick through the canned goods in my pantry to figure out how I'm going to make it until next Thursday (hint: I'll be really hungry) and getting ready to borrow 40$ or so from a girl so I can get a costume for this crazy huge Halloween drunk fest before they all get sold. Meanwhile, three of four pseudohobos just bought the Droid 2.

What. The. Fuck. I work 3 jobs, about 60 hours a week, go to college, and have absolutely nothing to show for it every item I have of any value my parents helped me buy save sub-200$ items like my speakers, glass coffee table, bong, and those types of purchases are maybe once a year for me. Every time someone talks about college they tell me how unnecessary it is and how it's not required for everyone to make a decent wage anymore. Nice to tell me that after I've enrolled and got in debt so far that if I back out now my every living possession and all of my money will be forfeit. I can't even buy new shoes in good conscience, and there are these people with two PS3's doing a lan-championship on their two 40+" flatscreens that they bought with money that should have gone to bills, food, etc.

I turned them in. I hope they lose everything, they deserve nothing.



wow OP your fucked

Why are you getting so jealous over what some degenerates have, do you really covet there material possessions so much that you have to fuck there lives over just to get a small sense of satisfaction that they will be a little lower to your grade of living condition`s now

There smart there playing the system it aint harming anything other then your ego, your a worse person then any of those greasy fucks will ever be cause your a sneaky little narc who likes to bring people down for no other reason then to make you feel slightly better about your own shitty life.



Actually they were harming everyone that lives in the united states... And yes, since you asked, I am a very jealous person. It's a petty emotion, but I am also vain. So there you go. Don't flaunt ill-begotten wealth in front of a vain, petty, jealous soul.

If we caught and stopped all the welfare fraud- a hypothetical situation that would be impossible to reach- how much money would we save?


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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Kid_Orgo said:
They're stealing from a system designed to help people. Not only do they deserve to  not get a fucking dime, they should probably be shot.

People genuinely need assistance and these toolbags are giving the whole system a bad name.

Oh no! You narked on them and totally harshed their buzz brah!



I agree. Turn those sleazebags in.

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Re: Welfare:( [Re: JT]
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JT said:
Chubba said:
So what have YOU gained from this?



sweet...sweet satisfaction :whoo:



Pretty much.

This would be the part where I tell you about the other stupid shit they did to me to get me to start fucking with them, like trying to pay for cigarettes by dumping pot on the counter of the store I work at "dude I know you, we smoke pot man this is worth way more than 5$!"

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Re: Welfare:( [Re: blujay]
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blujay said:
Enigma of Ankou said:
blujay said:
It recently came to my attention that some people I know are not only using the food stamps, but doing it massively fraudulently. There are four of them, living in a trailer- up to their knees in their own filth, hardcore weed addicts, each with a job at a fast food place within walking distance. These people would put pot before food, seriously.

So, they already bring in a good amount of money and not having to pay for food, the trailer nets 400$ for food stamps each week. I had never thought about it before because they never had any food in the damn hellhole, but then this guy asks me if I want to buy out his vision card. Then it struck me:

Here I am, sitting here about to go work one of my three jobs, I can barely afford my rent, car insurance, bills, while I eat my last gala apple and try to pick through the canned goods in my pantry to figure out how I'm going to make it until next Thursday (hint: I'll be really hungry) and getting ready to borrow 40$ or so from a girl so I can get a costume for this crazy huge Halloween drunk fest before they all get sold. Meanwhile, three of four pseudohobos just bought the Droid 2.

What. The. Fuck. I work 3 jobs, about 60 hours a week, go to college, and have absolutely nothing to show for it every item I have of any value my parents helped me buy save sub-200$ items like my speakers, glass coffee table, bong, and those types of purchases are maybe once a year for me. Every time someone talks about college they tell me how unnecessary it is and how it's not required for everyone to make a decent wage anymore. Nice to tell me that after I've enrolled and got in debt so far that if I back out now my every living possession and all of my money will be forfeit. I can't even buy new shoes in good conscience, and there are these people with two PS3's doing a lan-championship on their two 40+" flatscreens that they bought with money that should have gone to bills, food, etc.

I turned them in. I hope they lose everything, they deserve nothing.



wow OP your fucked

Why are you getting so jealous over what some degenerates have, do you really covet there material possessions so much that you have to fuck there lives over just to get a small sense of satisfaction that they will be a little lower to your grade of living condition`s now

There smart there playing the system it aint harming anything other then your ego, your a worse person then any of those greasy fucks will ever be cause your a sneaky little narc who likes to bring people down for no other reason then to make you feel slightly better about your own shitty life.



Actually they were harming everyone that lives in the united states... And yes, since you asked, I am a very jealous person. It's a petty emotion, but I am also vain. So there you go. Don't flaunt ill-begotten wealth in front of a vain, petty, jealous soul.

If we caught and stopped all the welfare fraud- a hypothetical situation that would be impossible to reach- how much money would we save?



The government also use your tax money for the murdering of civilians in foreign countries, campaigns of terror, giving weapons to other countries to create enemies, the drug war, soldier pay rolls, theft of resources, the list goes on

and if your gonna bitch about your tax dollars being misused, why dont you go after things that will actually make a difference.

fixed :wink:


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War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.-George Orwell-

Edited by Enigma of Ankou (10/24/10 10:10 PM)

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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Enigma of Ankou]
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Enigma of Ankou said:
The government also use your tax money for the murdering of civilians in foreign countries, campaigns of terror, giving weapons to other countries to create enemies, the drug war, soldier pay rolls, theft of resources, the list goes on. <*snip*>
and if your gonna bitch about your tax dollars being misused, why dont you go after things that will actually make a difference.




Yes, there is much waste in government spending, and we should go after it all, not just after the ones that many might feel are morally repugnant.

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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Enigma of Ankou]
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I read your entire post and there was no point. Yes the govt wastes money. Obviously the topic of this thread is one example of how we could waste less money. More legitimate pursuit? I don't know, considering I very likely caused an immediate measureable net gain with my actions.

I should become a fraud hunter - I could see it now - flashy graphics whizz around the screen as my portrait bobs up and some hip-looking ink (or blood?) splatters across the TV ... "Coming up next ... Jay THE FRAUDLLE HUNTRE!" with some music all like "bow bow ~ woo woo wooooo ! bow wo wow" - and then it cuts to me chasing something that's just off camera through bushes.


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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Enigma of Ankou]
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Nothing you just said had anything to do with the arguments being made:

1) No one here has argued that because it is against the law it is therefore immoral, your counter-arguments to that supposed assertion are a waste of electrons.

2) No one here is arguing that this is simply about wasted money, a distinction that seems to be difficult for some people to grasp. This is fraud by some dipshit citizens against the rest of us, not the actions of an inept or wasteful gov't. Apples to oranges.


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Re: Welfare:( [Re: blujay]
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obama, promises not kept

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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Kid_Orgo said:
Nothing you just said had anything to do with the arguments being made:

1) No one here has argued that because it is against the law it is therefore immoral, your counter-arguments to that supposed assertion are a waste of electrons.

2) No one here is arguing that this is simply about wasted money, a distinction that seems to be difficult for some people to grasp. This is fraud by some dipshit citizens against the rest of us, not the actions of an inept or wasteful gov't. Apples to oranges.



no ur a waste f lectrons!


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Re: Welfare:( [Re: blujay]
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blujay said:
I read your entire post and there was no point. Yes the govt wastes money. Obviously the topic of this thread is one example of how we could waste less money. More legitimate pursuit? I don't know, considering I very likely caused an immediate measureable net gain with my actions.

I should become a fraud hunter - I could see it now - flashy graphics whizz around the screen as my portrait bobs up and some hip-looking ink (or blood?) splatters across the TV ... "Coming up next ... Jay THE FRAUDLLE HUNTRE!" with some music all like "bow bow ~ woo woo wooooo ! bow wo wow" - and then it cuts to me chasing something that's just off camera through bushes.



point being your acting like a :gayvirgin: who likes to narc people out that arnt really doing anything that wrong while hiding behind this idea that your actually helping out other people, and now you got all those taxpayers dollars going into punishing them

and you think there was immediate net gain :rofl:


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War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.-George Orwell-

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Re: Welfare:( [Re: lazyfingers]
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lazyfingers said:
Poor person says, "I'm gonna hunt Chubba down with my machete and eat him instead!"



I've always thought that eating the rich would solve a lot of the world's problems.


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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Kid_Orgo said:
They're stealing from a system designed to help people. Not only do they deserve to  not get a fucking dime, they should probably be shot.

People genuinely need assistance and these toolbags are giving the whole system a bad name.

Oh no! You narked on them and totally harshed their buzz brah!



Oh no! Some people got some food stamps even though they have high paying jobs at McDonald's! We should KILL them!


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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Computerism]
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The most diabolical haters this side of the Mississippi.

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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Computerism]
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Luckily they work at fastfood restaurants and are probably too heavy and smoke too much to succeed at cannibalism. It's a small crime and a petty act to turn them in. Very little is lost or gained, and there was no wrong committed against the people because they obviously don't need their food stamps. They deserve what they get which will be less than a slap on the wrist when they deny it.

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Re: Welfare:( [Re: Enigma of Ankou]
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Enigma of Ankou said:
blujay said:
I read your entire post and there was no point. Yes the govt wastes money. Obviously the topic of this thread is one example of how we could waste less money. More legitimate pursuit? I don't know, considering I very likely caused an immediate measureable net gain with my actions.

I should become a fraud hunter - I could see it now - flashy graphics whizz around the screen as my portrait bobs up and some hip-looking ink (or blood?) splatters across the TV ... "Coming up next ... Jay THE FRAUDLLE HUNTRE!" with some music all like "bow bow ~ woo woo wooooo ! bow wo wow" - and then it cuts to me chasing something that's just off camera through bushes.



point being your acting like a :gayvirgin: who likes to narc people out that arnt really doing anything that wrong while hiding behind this idea that your actually helping out other people, and now you got all those taxpayers dollars going into punishing them

and you think there was immediate net gain :rofl:



Man you are stupid. They will not be locked up, their food stamps will be taken away.

Also your =/= you are, just to be a dickish smartass! Since you can't even pick an actual desctiptive word for me, anyway.


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