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Re: punishment for hard work and welfare as a reward for lazyness [Re: The Ecstatic]
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They rather tend not to be liberal.


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Re: punishment for hard work and welfare as a reward for lazyness [Re: WAN]
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WAN said:
And I noticed you keep avoiding this issue.


Again, I haven't avoided anything. You just don't like my answer.

No income redistribution.

Would all caps help? NO INCOME REDISTRIBUTION.

How about caps and a larger font? NO INCOME REDISTRIBUTION.

How about bold, caps and a larger font? NO INCOME REDISTRIBUTION.

How about bold, italics, caps and a larger font? NO INCOME REDISTRIBUTION.

Did that help?

Friends, family, charity. Enough people help others.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: punishment for hard work and welfare as a reward for lazyness [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
zappaisgod said:
Without NYC upstate would be a lot better off.  But I make my living off of NYC.  I Work in some of the richest towns in the country building houses for people who work in the city.  Trickle down is very real in my life.

Westchester County is not upstate.  To determine what is upstate look at a Metro North train map.  Beyond the end of their lines is upstate.  And it is fucked.


I just wanted to you to admit that you make your living off the rich liberal fucks that you constantly rail against.


Only rich liberal fucks buy houses? Who knew?


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I'm so proud of you.


Perhaps someday someone will say the same of you.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: punishment for hard work and welfare as a reward for lazyness [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Thread is still going? Unbelievable

Are we still arguing general economics with no specific examples?

It'd be a lot easier to argue as such e.g.:

"Joe makes $7.59 an hour. The money he makes does not equal an opportunity for savings. If he cannot save he cannot buy a car which hurts the auto industry. The displacement of industry that is located to one specific region makes it difficult to acquire the same job elsewhere. The living cost and distance from Joe's family make it impossible for him to acquire the better job.

The president directly effected this aspect of the economy by.... etc."



That was just an example. It's much more factual and non biased based on facts instead of opinions. I don't even necessarily agree with it. The idea behind economics is to try and buy as cheaply as possible and sell as high as possible. This action while beneficial to the main proprietors directly contradicts the idea that the cheaper something is the easier the entry level for other new businesses. While competition can sometimes be bad for example it created a flood in the market, I find healthy competition is where one price doesn't go higher while another goes lower for different services and products. Low price is only bad if it can't keep up with a higher price. If all things are low priced everyone wins.

I find economics to be highly manipulated. Cheap whole sale costs are primary to retail and the mass commercialized retail market that is of the highest mark up. However, when land is limited and demand gets too high, prices are too high then whole salers themselves raise prices as overhead is swamped by high lease of real estate. When everything is too expensive, everyone loses. Prices can't just climb and climb and meanwhile it's said that the competition is healthy. No the monopoly makes the cost of living unaffordable. Competition becomes too easy for things everyone can provide while it becomes impossible for more difficult limited and exclusive things.

Not sure how the president directly effects this. However, it's impossible to compete with too big to fail businesses. Naturally if something fails it fails and new competition steps in. When it's too big to fail it just means potential investment is lost and the losing "giant" is "refurbished" using the same failing formula as before.

The money needed today and salaries needed today to sustain basic living costs are ridiculous. It'd make more sense if instead of raising the bar to sustain a living if things were more cheap and affordable. The argument is when the wealthy acquires more money they reinvest it in New ventures and lower prices equal less venture in the market and equate to stagnation. This is bullshit, when something is cheap it sells easily. It sells more. People win. And there is no "necessity" for a wealthy person to reinvest their money if they don't have to. Rich people don't have to make more. Hungry people have to make more. Why it's a common argument that the rich are the most motivated is beyond me. It's lower on the totem that the need for more resources is born from. This demand drives the desire to supply more and for companies to grow more.

The richest obviously benefit the most but for more growth to occur the demand to need it must obviously be matched by those that need the resources therefore = the middle of the class system must be able to afford it

How can the next fucking president fix this aspect of a fucked up system?


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