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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: DieCommie]
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I have known people on welfare who can't help but be on it. If they didn't get it they would starve or not have basic necessities like toilet paper or toothpaste. You can get SOME free food. It isn't limitless and there isn't enough to go around. Especially if there were MORE needy people.


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: dshow]
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dshow said:

Either way why WOULDNT you? I mean someone who is poor, and is doing crystal meth, yet is getting welfare from the govenment. It just doesnt add up.


One reason is because excluding individuals from welfare could just as easily result in adverse consequences for the rest of us.  I don't think an individual hopelessly addicted to drugs is going to quit because they lose welfare.  On the contrary, I think they would result to more harmful behaviors like stealing, violence etc. 

The second reason is what I stated previously.  I don't like arbitrarily eliminating some behaviors, but not others.  More importantly, someone has to decide what is acceptable, and what is not.  Already, some have said a car is fine, and "necessary" others disagree. 

What about internet access?  What about a welfare recipient who can only hold some type of part-time, online job or something. 

This may lead to step-wise elimination of many things, some of which may harmful to individuals.  There are millions of scenarios and expenses to consider.


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: Kada]
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Thats bullshit leftest propaganda.  Soup kitchens, food banks and churches could feed every welfare recipient in the country.  There is no danger of starvation for the poor in the US, none at all.  They may go homeless, they may not get medical attention - but to claim they are in danger of starving is a bold faced lie.  There is copious amounts of free food in our society.  Most of the so called 'poor' just turn their noses up to it.

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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: DieCommie]
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Yes, there is, but it's not enough. Especially if you start cutting folks off of welfare. Besides, if you're able-bodies and not disabled, you can only get a couple of years of any sort of welfare. Clinton put an end to the welfare-for-life business back in the 90's.

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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: badchad]
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badchad said:
More importantly, someone has to decide what is acceptable, and what is not.



That is the case right now.  Some people can get on welfare, some are excluded.

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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: badchad]
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Welfare, IMO, is a deceptive system.
In the long run what it does is allow both the government and the vast amount of unemployed to accept with greater ease the fact that our current economic system screws over A LOT of people while only greatly benefiting a few.
The more people that are out on the streets, homeless and hungry, the quicker "the masses" would be willing to get rowdy and try to change society so that something like welfare isn't even necessary to begin with.

What I think the government should do, instead, is work with employers to set people up with jobs.


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: Remix]
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One reason is because excluding individuals from welfare could just as easily result in adverse consequences for the rest of us.  I don't think an individual hopelessly addicted to drugs is going to quit because they lose welfare.  On the contrary, I think they would result to more harmful behaviors like stealing, violence etc. 


They should of never been on welfare at the start. see?


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