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New York and Welfare and Drugs.
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So, just watched the news the other day, and New York is thinking of Drug testing everyone whom is on Wel-fare as the Wel-fare number is so high.

We thought our unemployment rate was high. Wait till they start drug testing our wel-faries.
:shrug:


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: Eshu]
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This is an incredibly good idea. People that are on welfare shouldnt be doing jack shit. that includes alcohol and cigarettes. BUT.. Like you said the problem is.. Who is going to pay for the tests and the people that are catching them?

Its  both a pro and a con. :shrug:

So many people take advantage of welfare though. Id rather spend the extra money catching those fucks then letting them cheat the system.


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: dshow]
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dshow said:
This is an incredibly good idea. People that are on welfare shouldnt be doing jack shit.


sure they should... they should be looking for a way off public assistance

failing that drug test would be the quick was to get off it


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Exactly. The second they are caught, smoking, drinking, or other substances. They should be put off, and never able to go back on it. EVER


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: dshow]
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dshow said:
Exactly. The second they are caught, smoking, drinking, or other substances. They should be put off, and never able to go back on it. EVER


So people do not have the capacity to change? What if they go to rehab? They shouldn't be allowed welfare after cleaning up?


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: dshow]
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What other behaviors should we exclude from welfare recipients? 

I mean, why stop at drugs...should they be able to own a car?  have a cell phone?  what about books?  Hell, if you're starving, why are you reading in the first place?


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: badchad]
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everything should be case dependent


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: badchad]
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badchad said:
What other behaviors should we exclude from welfare recipients? 

I mean, why stop at drugs...should they be able to own a car?  have a cell phone?  what about books?  Hell, if you're starving, why are you reading in the first place?



people dont typically trade food stamps for cars, books and cellphones do they?


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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This does make sense in the long run however what are the marijuana laws in NY? I believe its not legal yet there as medicine.

The bigger the impact on addicts life IMO the better, we need to work together to study space both outer and inner...

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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: Salomon]
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deciding welfare benefits on a case-by-case basis sounds even less efficient then the current system.

But there's a larger question:  who gets to decide?


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
badchad said:
What other behaviors should we exclude from welfare recipients? 

I mean, why stop at drugs...should they be able to own a car?  have a cell phone?  what about books?  Hell, if you're starving, why are you reading in the first place?



people dont typically trade food stamps for cars, books and cellphones do they?


They certainly trade them for cash, which is valid for all of these items.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: badchad]
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So people do not have the capacity to change? What if they go to rehab? They shouldn't be allowed welfare after cleaning up?



They were using off the system (me and you). IDGAF if they clean up. They shouldnt of done it in the first place. We are talking people using off of other people. They dont deserve a slap on the hand. They lose their privilege.

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I mean, why stop at drugs...should they be able to own a car?  have a cell phone?  what about books?  Hell, if you're starving, why are you reading in the first place?



I hope your not serious because that is a terrible example for proving me wrong. You should stop at drugs. Thats it. Soo... stop right there


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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ifoundwaldo said:
dshow said:
Exactly. The second they are caught, smoking, drinking, or other substances. They should be put off, and never able to go back on it. EVER


So people do not have the capacity to change? What if they go to rehab? They shouldn't be allowed welfare after cleaning up?



if they've managed to clean up and they're off welfare then the odds are they dont need welfare anymore anyway


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: badchad]
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badchad said:
Prisoner#1 said:
badchad said:
What other behaviors should we exclude from welfare recipients? 

I mean, why stop at drugs...should they be able to own a car?  have a cell phone?  what about books?  Hell, if you're starving, why are you reading in the first place?



people dont typically trade food stamps for cars, books and cellphones do they?


They certainly trade them for cash, which is valid for all of these items.


but far more typically used to purchase drugs, either way it's fraud and
needs to be stopped, let's start with what's easy to detect


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: dshow]
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dshow said:
I hope your not serious because that is a terrible example for proving me wrong. You should stop at drugs. Thats it. Soo... stop right there


The point is simple:  out of the millions of types of human behaviors, why arbitrarily select drug use? 

There are plenty of other "luxuries" that aren't limited, cars, clothes, foods etc.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: badchad]
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I truly have never met a sober person who does nothing what so ever that is on welfare. So i can be a little biased there. Besides that limiting any drug related items is a step forward. One doesnt ruin it for the rest. You just simply limit drugs. Thats it. Thats all im saying. Well work on the other things in another conversation.

Either way why WOULDNT you? I mean someone who is poor, and is doing crystal meth, yet is getting welfare from the govenment. It just doesnt add up.


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: badchad]
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badchad said:
What other behaviors should we exclude from welfare recipients? 

I mean, why stop at drugs...should they be able to own a car?  have a cell phone?  what about books?  Hell, if you're starving, why are you reading in the first place?


Car, sure - as long as its a cheap car.  Cell phone - I dont think so.  Books?  They can go to the library.

There are lots of behaviors and situations that should exclude somebody from welfare.

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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: badchad]
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badchad said:
What other behaviors should we exclude from welfare recipients? 

I mean, why stop at drugs...should they be able to own a car?  have a cell phone?  what about books?  Hell, if you're starving, why are you reading in the first place?


The Neo-Republicans in Wisconsin are proposing making it illegal for welfare recipients to have more than $20 cash on their person. :hitlerdance:

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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: dshow]
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Children will suffer because their parents wont or can't get jobs. If you couldn't get welfare because you failed a drug test your kids starve? Suck. I mean I don't give a shit about someone who doesn't give a shit about themselves, but what about the kids in that situation? What about the guy who smokes pot because he has back pain and can't afford meds, can't afford a doctor and can't work because of it? It's not cut and dry here, good people will suffer with the bad. If they did that it would just lead to more suffering.

What to do? I dunno. They can't take that many kids away from that many parents. Are there enough jobs to give to all these people on welfare who can only get part time or no work at all?

Sure they are a drain on society, but there isn't really another alternative other than letting them all starve or fend for themselves along with their children and disabled.


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Re: New York and Welfare and Drugs. [Re: Kada]
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Letting them starve?  Give me a break.  Nobody is going to starve if they lose their welfare.  Welfare does not keep people or kids from starving.  There is free food for anybody who wants it in every city in the US, whether or not you are on welfare.

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