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Not a problem!

I'm sure if you get creative you can find some plastic sheeting of some sort to patch it with.

Examples; plastic shoe boxes, old jugs that maybe held oil for your car, plastic ice cream tubs, old storage totes, etc. One of those items has got to either be trash or trashed itself (ie holed where there shouldn't be) that you could use to harvest some plastic squares, around the size of those holes.

Then, epoxy the fuggers on there! I've done this before myself, but I regret to inform, I don't have any pictures

Another option is to simply tape on some tyvek nice and clean-like, maybe do one piece on each side. This in itself will allow gas exchange, so at first, you might wanna leave the tyvek area free of holes. Then, if it appears the tubs aren't getting enough fresh air, go ahead and poke 'em!

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...I used to go ahead and grow them through to full maturity, though. I'd end up getting about 30% more weight out of them.

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That's really only a good choice if you're looking at growing commercially, otherwise you just have to choke down more shroom for the same zoom.

Just the way I see it.

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Anything I've read about this idea has been theoretical. From any anecdotal accounts, myself included, strain has everything to do with it, not the size of the fruitbody.

If you isolate a strain that is potent, it will be potent no matter what you grow it on. And, the fruitbodies sure as hell aren't gonna be 30% less potent because the fruit is at maturity.

I've done enough research into this idea to be satisfied that it's equal to or less than an old wive's tale in terms of reliability. If you have something resembling reliable information to go off of regarding this concept, I'd be a whole lot more than just a little interested in reading about it.

Anymore, though, I grow to see how good of a yield I can get per unit of substrate, though now I'm too fucking sick of cleaning all the spores, so I'm going somewhere in between.

Oh, also: commercial growers harvest as soon as the veils break, abiding by the tale of potency, so growing for max yield in a fruit isn't applicable to commercial cultivators, legal or otherwise. if you go to Amsterdam and buy some fresh Cubensis, most likely the veil may not have even broken yet.

Sorry, when I said 'commercial' I meant people who get into growing solely as a form of income. Normally with people like that the money is in bulk, not quality.


As for potency, my understanding was that the majority of the actives come into being in the early stages of the fruits' growth. It wouldn't be a matter of mature fruits being 30% less potent than a younger one, just how much more psilocybin is actually in an older fruit vs. younger fruit. It'd be interesting to test a number of fruits from the same flush at different stages to see what the potency is - I wouldn't be willing to bet on anything, but maybe a mature fruit and one with an unbroken veil would have the same amount of actives in them.

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Anymore, though, I grow to see how good of a yield I can get per unit of substrate, though now I'm too fucking sick of cleaning all the spores, so I'm going somewhere in between.

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I probably am going to grow to max capacity too, same reason. But I'm inexperienced so I'd want to do that anyway just to brag (hopefully) about my yields

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It wouldn't be a matter of mature fruits being 30% less potent than a younger one

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I wouldn't be willing to bet on anything, but maybe a mature fruit and one with an unbroken veil would have the same amount of actives in them.

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I probably am going to grow to max capacity too, same reason. But I'm inexperienced so I'd want to do that anyway just to brag (hopefully) about my yields

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Hell, yeah! It's all about the braggin's!

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Doc_T are you putting your tubs into a greenhouse to fruit them? I'm assuming for the optimum environment?

What would be the advantage to that? Wouldn't it diminish the amount of usable space in the greenhouse?

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Niwita said:

Sorry, I'm not sure how to get my point across...

I'm not going on experience, mind you. Just hearsay.

Put it this way. (these numbers are likely highly inaccurate)

from the same flush...
1g dry specimen (immature) = 5mg psilocybin
2g dry specimen (mature) = 5mg psilocybin

I suppose technically it is 50% less psilocybin, but it's not a matter of degrading with age. Just that it stops producing as it matures.

I hope no one thinks I know what I'm talking about. Just explaining my thought process

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Okay. I get that.

Thing is, this can't possibly be what happens, or anything even close to it.

(...just to clarify, too, I have no intention of coming across as being rude, here. Just want to clear that up. )

If anything similar to this idea were to happen, then people who grub on my fruits would notice a substantial drop in intensity of trip from eating an eighth of mature shrooms vs and eighth of aborts, for example, which in theory would be as potent as they ever are going to be.

Results?

From 3 different people now, from the same isolate, an eighth of aborts vs an eighth of mature fruits produced the same experience.

Were the aborts more potent?

Perhaps. Even so, it's most likely negligible/ not ever enough difference to notice via experience/anecdote. So if potency decreases over maturity, a realistic value is probably closer to the order of around .02% from pin to maturity.

The idea that Cubensis mushrooms lose potency during maturity is based off of the THEORY that the active compounds in the fruits hit a peak in production very early on in the fruitbody's development, then gradually tapers off until finally at maturity the organism focuses all of its processes towards spore production. This leaves pins and aborts as being the theoretically most potent fruitbodies.

As said, this is purely theory from anything I've seen. I would LOVE to see some empirical evidence supporting this idea, one way or the other, to actually KNOW, aside from my own data.

At the moment, all data I've collected for this idea has proven exactly the opposite.

And really, how many other people there have carefully collected isolated aborts, and mature fruits, to conduct experiments with willing participants in this area?

Just trying to spread the truth to those who wanna hear it, y'know?

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if you aren't going to water it regularly i'd suggest going one hole size smaller, but doc would probably get mad, so I won't suggest it.

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And really, how many other people there have carefully collected isolated aborts, and mature fruits, to conduct experiments with willing participants in this area?

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LOL do you put up ads on craigslist?   

Cool. I think hearing about actual experience with controls and all is more reliable than thinking I've read something or other.

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Harvest day, first flush. 22.6 ounces fresh weight.
Not spectacular for this culture, but not bad. The spawn was a bit old.
Tub still had a lot of weight, so I didn't dunk. we'll see how that plays out.

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67g final dry weight for the first flush.
Not terribly impressive

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That's terribly impressive to me... 

What would really surprise you in terms of yield with this? Or sub-yield efficiency in general?