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they fucking renounced the destruction of israel and recognize it. albeit i think they said they would do it under certain conditions.

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Poor Ahmadi and crew, all they want to do is "get current Israeli government off", nonviolently ofcourse, because basically they are just Avoda. But when it comes to actions they fully support HAMAS, whose stated goal is destruction of Israel and who proudly deliberately slaughter innocent Israeli civilians, and when it comes to words they say "this stain of disgrace [i.e. Israel] will be purged from the center of the Islamic world" or "Is it possible that an [Islamic] front allows another front [i.e. country] to arise in its [own] heart? This means defeat, and he who accepts the existence of this regime [i.e. Israel] in fact signs the defeat of the Islamic world".


Good to know there are those who can inform us as to what all this genocidal warmongering really means

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they fucking renounced the destruction of israel and recognize it.
>They did?  I missed that bulletin.  Have they changed their charter?<


albeit i think they said they would do it under certain conditions. does israel ever care about the statements it makes encouraging VIOLENT overthrow of the iranian government, yet again double standard.

>I missed those, too, but I could hardly blame them given that the People of Iran are far less lunatic than the leaders of Iran.  I'm pretty certain the People of Iran wish they could overthrow their leaders.  Since elections there are a sham, violence is their only alternative<

as for the deliberate slaughter of israeli citizens, isn't israel deliberately slaughtering palestinians?
>No.  They are deliberately slaughtering active members of a genocidal cult bent on the destruction of Israel.  They are being extraordinarily circumspect regarding their targeting.<

i'm sorry i thought life was equal on this planet. you gotta look at the number of people dieing on both side. you basicly ignore everything that israel does and focus on what hamas is doing, both side are ugly, but there is clearly a side which has the upper hand and doesn't care about abusing their power.

>If Hamas lays down it's weapons there will be no war.  If Israel lays down its weapons there will be no Israel.  Facts can be ugly.  That's an ugly one.  Are all human lives equal?  Not at all.  Some murderous lunatics need to be eradicated so normal people can live happy healthy and fruitful lives.  I am not aware of any murderous lunatics in the Israeli government.  The entirety of the Hamas government are murderous lunatics.<

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communeart said: i'm sorry i thought life was equal on this planet.

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they fucking renounced the destruction of israel and recognize it.
>They did?  I missed that bulletin.  Have they changed their charter?<

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I missed those, too, but I could hardly blame them given that the People of Iran are far less lunatic than the leaders of Iran.  I'm pretty certain the People of Iran wish they could overthrow their leaders.  Since elections there are a sham, violence is their only alternative<

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The Israeli ambassador in Washington called for "regime change" in Iran and Syria on Monday through diplomatic isolation, economic sanctions and what he called "psychological pressure."

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No.  They are deliberately slaughtering active members of a genocidal cult bent on the destruction of Israel.  They are being extraordinarily circumspect regarding their targeting.<

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If Hamas lays down it's weapons there will be no war.  If Israel lays down its weapons there will be no Israel.  Facts can be ugly.  That's an ugly one.  Are all human lives equal?  Not at all.  Some murderous lunatics need to be eradicated so normal people can live happy healthy and fruitful lives.  I am not aware of any murderous lunatics in the Israeli government.  The entirety of the Hamas government are murderous lunatics

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Kind of, but if 20 of you open fire on me and a couple of very sweet girls I would be justified if I could kill 20 of you, so it isn't a very useful thing to say unless you have both sides backing down when you say it, and you don't.  You said you support Palestinians because you are neutral.

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Kind of, but if 20 of you open fire on me and a couple of very sweet girls I would be justified if I could kill 20 of you, so it isn't a very useful thing to say unless you have both sides backing down when you say it, and you don't.  You said you support Palestinians because you are neutral.

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pretty extreme comparison, do palestinians deliberately aim at sweet girls for their sadistic pleasure? no they shoot rocket that cannot be aimed at military infrastructure because they lack the technology to do so, while israel has the technology to do so they kill a shitload more sweet girls and children. i don't care how many people open fire, the power dynamics and number of casualties matters much more.

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3249568,00.html

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they fucking renounced the destruction of israel and recognize it.
>They did?  I missed that bulletin.  Have they changed their charter?<

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not sure if they changed their charter, to be honest they agreed to recognize it within 67 borders, so that may be irrational but it is still a step forward that they don't want it's complete destruction.

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I missed those, too, but I could hardly blame them given that the People of Iran are far less lunatic than the leaders of Iran.  I'm pretty certain the People of Iran wish they could overthrow their leaders.  Since elections there are a sham, violence is their only alternative<

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well i'm not yet so sure the elections were rigged, it does look so but it seems to me that in such unstable countries whenever the opposition loses it claims the opposition rigged the votes and proceed to violence. some point out that it is hard to rig that much of the votes, and i think someone pointed out that with the numbers and letter used in the ballots there wasonly 4.3% chance that the election in iran weren't rigged. i think the international community recognized the election didn't they? but oh well, they recognize just about any elections.

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is rense a good source? apparently i was again wrong they called for sanctions and diplomatic isolation for a regime change.

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The Israeli ambassador in Washington called for "regime change" in Iran and Syria on Monday through diplomatic isolation, economic sanctions and what he called "psychological pressure."

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http://www.rense.com/general37/ustakes.htm sanctions kinda suck though, but oh well.

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No.  They are deliberately slaughtering active members of a genocidal cult bent on the destruction of Israel.  They are being extraordinarily circumspect regarding their targeting.<

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so why cant the palestinians slaughter meir kahane members? 

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If Hamas lays down it's weapons there will be no war.  If Israel lays down its weapons there will be no Israel.  Facts can be ugly.  That's an ugly one.  Are all human lives equal?  Not at all.  Some murderous lunatics need to be eradicated so normal people can live happy healthy and fruitful lives.  I am not aware of any murderous lunatics in the Israeli government.  The entirety of the Hamas government are murderous lunatics

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if hamas lay down its weapon there will be more settlements, more bullshit coming from israel. if israel lay down it's weapon there is no way that an invasion of israel would take place with all the allies that israel has. neither side should lay down their weapon.

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Kind of, but if 20 of you open fire on me and a couple of very sweet girls I would be justified if I could kill 20 of you, so it isn't a very useful thing to say unless you have both sides backing down when you say it, and you don't.  You said you support Palestinians because you are neutral.

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pretty extreme comparison, do palestinians deliberately aim at sweet girls for their sadistic pleasure? no they shoot rocket that cannot be aimed at military infrastructure because they lack the technology to do so, while israel has the technology to do so they kill a shitload more sweet girls and children. i don't care how many people open fire, the power dynamics and number of casualties matters much more.

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i don't see why it would be pointless. the palestinians have such a lower standard of living, they should have shot the same amount of rockets with the same amount of power in each individual rockets. also they probably should have respected the damn treaty which caused the rocket attacks to happen in the first place.

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they fucking renounced the destruction of israel and recognize it. albeit i think they said they would do it under certain conditions. does israel ever care about the statements it makes encouraging VIOLENT overthrow of the iranian government, yet again double standard.

as for the deliberate slaughter of israeli citizens, isn't israel deliberately slaughtering palestinians? i'm sorry i thought life was equal on this planet. you gotta look at the number of people dieing on both side. you basicly ignore everything that israel does and focus on what hamas is doing, both side are ugly, but there is clearly a side which has the upper hand and doesn't care about abusing their power.

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the palestinians have such a lower standard of living

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Right of return is 100% the destruction of Israel by sheer demography.  Further, return is absurd.  If anything the Palestinians should have a right to return to Jordan and Egypt, which countries the Gaza and West Bank were previously a part of.  Oddly enough, neither of those two countries wants to have anything to do with their former territory.  I wonder why?

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Iran is not unstable.  It is a theocratic dictatorship supported by overwhelming force of arms.  That's about as stable as you can get.
Even aside from the vote rigging they can only have approved by mullah candidates all across the country.  Dissent is met with the truncheon and the gun.

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"diplomatic isolation, economic sanctions and what he called "psychological pressure"."

That doesn't seem very aggressive.

I believe there are a lot more reasons than just the Israel question to punish the shit out of the Iranian regime.  Like bin Laden, I think they don't really give two shits about the Palestinians.  If they were In Iran they would be beaten, imprisoned and executed for being pains in the ass.  And insufficiently Islamic.

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Both of them? The Israeli government has deemed both Kahane cults terrorist organizations.  Has the government of Gaza deemed Hamas a terrorist organization?

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The Israeli government routinely destroys the facilities of the more insane settlers.  Routinely.

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The fuck it isn't.  It's in their charter and in their religion

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Bullshit.  If the Israelis are genocidal how come the Palestinian population keeps growing far faster than the Israeli one?  Further, until they ceded the Gaza there never was a Palestinian nation.  Never.  And what did that get Israel?  Daily rocket attacks and suicide bombers.

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Their continued lunacy is what is making life hard for them.  When you persistently murder and attack someone you are going to have a hard time.  Especially if you are an incompetent 6th century retard fighting a competent and courageous enemy.  None of those nations will have them because they are insane murdering lunatics

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No it isn't.  Israel could quite easily actually cleanse the whole area.  They didn't.

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Hamas, in case you didn't know, controls the Gaza Strip.  There is not one single Israeli settlement in the Gaza Strip.  Israel does have settlements in the West Bank, which is controlled by Fatah, who are also at war with Hamas.

You have no evidence at all to support the contention that Israel has any interest in retaking Gaza.  In fact, the preponderance of the evidence is that they do not since they voluntarily walked out, displacing Israeli who had settled there.

Your moral equivalence is transparently weak, wrong, and of dubious motivation.  How any rational person can compare the two organizations without some underlying insanity is beyond me.

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If you don't see it you aren't looking.  Hamas has zero moral ground for anything at all that they do.  They want to eradicate Israel, a duly designated and recognized state.

Israel has an equal right to fight?  Not in your eyes.  If they did you would sanction the complete destruction of Hamas in the Gaza Strip.  Because Israel could do that quite efficiently should they so choose.  No, you want them to not fight and just accept suicide bombers and rockets as a daily way of life.  What a load of crap.

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Suicide bombers in pizza parlors.  Just fucking stop.  Is Israel supposed to not fight back against daily rocket attacks and frequent suicide bombers, some of whom are palestinian young girls themselves?

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They fucking renounced the destruction of Israel in the same universe where Israel deliberately kills innocent civilians, that is anti-semitic collective imagination. In reality not only your boyfriends deliberately murder innocents, they are absolutely orgasmic about it, they dance in the streets, worship murderers and indoctrinate little children in kindergardens into enthusiastic murder machines (I already posted links to their children TV shows and cartoons, look it up). It is ONLY because they insist on firing rockets from civilian infrastructure and surrounding themselves with civilians (who largely don't seem to mind) while in firefight, palestinian civilians die. And still when HAMAS wants to actually show something dirty they can only produce laughable fakes like Al Duhra debacle or Gaza Beach shelling travesty and the rest of Pallywood stuff. Reality is your heroes couldn't possibly be more evil than they are right now and Israel couldn't possibly restrain itself further.

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Missing UN Report on Palestinian Living Standards

U.N. SAYS PALESTINIANS FARE BETTER THAN OTHER ARABS

Palestinian Arabs living in the Israeli-controlled West Bank and Gaza Strip have fared better in terms of life expectancy, adjusted real income, and educational attainment than many fellow Arabs, according to the United Nations. The U.N.’s 2005 Human Development Report, released to coincide with this month’s opening session of the U.N. General Assembly, ranks the Arabs of what it calls “Occupied Palestinian Territories” at 102 out of 177 countries.

The Associated Press and other wire services filed dispatches mentioning the report’s general finding – that not enough is being done for the 40 percent of the world’s people who live on less than $2 a day. But a September 19 Nexis search showed no news coverage of the study’s ranking of Palestinian Arabs under “Israeli occupation” higher than Algerians (103), Syrians (106), Egyptians (119), Moroccans (124) and Yemeni (151). Based on data for 2003 – a period of frequent Israeli counter-terrorism responses to the “al-Aqsa intifada” – the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza Strip also were not far behind Tunisians (89) and Jordanians (90).

Contradicting the story-line

A great deal of news media commentary, and not a little reporting, has portrayed the Palestinian Arabs as impoverished, and forced by Israel to endure substandard if not subhuman living conditions. The U.N.’s 2005 Human Development Report suggests otherwise, the Palestinian ranking of 102 falling into the “medium human development” listing. For purposes of comparison, Norway (1), Iceland (2), Australia (3), the United States (10) and Japan (11) are among the 57 countries classified offering “high human development” and Madagascar (146), Swaziland (147), Sierra Leone (176) and Niger (177) bookend the “low human development” category.

Israel ranks 23 in the U.N. report. The top Arab states are the oil-rich, population poor sheikdoms of Qatar (40), United Arab Emirates (41), Bahrain (43) and Kuwait (44).

Arabs' Self-Inflicted Woes

At first glance, the 2005 study might seem to conflict with the U.N.’s 2004 Arab Human Development Report, which asserted that the standard of living for 58 percent of the Palestinian population fell below the poverty line. But without the self-inflicted damage of the Palestinian’s 2000 - 2005 terrorism war against Israel, the territories – whose economies had grown markedly in the Oslo “peace process” years of 1993 - 2000 – likely would be listed even further ahead of Algeria, Syria, Egypt, Morocco and Yemen. As the under-reported 2004 study noted, much of what really ails the Arab countries, and the Palestinian Arabs, are “deficits of freedom,” including lack of Western-style political, religious, minority and women’s rights and the prevalence of corrupt, oppressive, unrepresentative governments.

Harry Golden, editor of the Carolina Israelite and author of the 1958 bestseller, Only in America, said that after a lifetime of clipping news articles, he often found that the important stories were on the back. Or, in this case of Palestinian living standards under Israeli control, especially compared to Arab brethren under their own sovereign governments, nowhere at all.

This important story deserves to be covered for at least three reasons: 1) the facts it reveals about Palestinian standards of living – as compared to fragmentary and often misleading feature reporting about “Palestinians under Israeli occupation”; 2) the under-reported reality of life in many Arab states;, and 3) the virtually unreported Israeli efforts to normalize daily life for peaceful Palestinians as much as possible.

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but do you think that history is really nice toward the arabs in israeli school? when it comes to racist propaganda, israel and hamas are just as guilty of being assholes

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Blah-blah-blah show videos of this Israely children "racist propaganda" or STFU. There are none and you won't show any. Cause there is a difference between decent human beings and muderous lunatics. And you don't have a problem/supportive with a latter.

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how about aladdin, in the first opening scene, the princess steal an apple from a merchant and gives it to a children. and when she is caught, the merchant tries to cut her hand. the movie is aimed at children including ours.

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  You mean what Princess and kids were Jews or something? I understand you need to scrape up something to support your ridiculous claim, but have shame will ya...

And your photo of a t-shirt is also quite a compelling evidence...

It seems that this old Disney cartoon which humorously depicts fight between piggy legioner and Ali-Baba gang (not Arabs (at least 2 of which shown favorably) or State army) is the best you got. Some non-PC goofing on Arab gang from 1940? I do think it's more appropriate for adults, but to even compare it to truly racist murderous (and contemporary) shit like this

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You mean what Princess and kids were Jews or something? I understand you need to scrape up something to support your ridiculous claim, but have shame will ya...

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And your photo of a t-shirt is also quite a compelling evidence...

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