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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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Just like PRAVDA.  They aren't beholden to any standard other than government compliance


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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Compare and contrast


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Either way, the truth will eventually come out, and I am glad to know that despite the censorship of BBC, NBC, CBS, FOX, ABC, etc., that there are still real and independent media outlets out there trying to report honest news.


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PressTV is just one more non-corporate media outlet that is reporting news to me. I do not take any single sources word for it, so I monitor a wide variety of sources. From BBC to Al Jazeera, from MSNBC.com to Media Freedom International, from VeteransToday to Associated Press, I have an RSS feed reader monitoring over 20 sources from a variety of biases. This way I can get somewhat objective news by looking through all of it :smile:





You're lying through your teeth

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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: AlexD]
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AlexD said:
You're lying through your teeth




I think PressTV and other independent media sources are far more "honest" and "real" than corporate mainstream media such as BBC, NBC, FOX, etc., who censor news. For example, New York Times pushing the "Wipe Israel Off The Map" lie is an example of the poor reporting the mainstream media often puts out.

Another good example of the lie is this...

MONSANTO Threatens FOX News; Story Killed, Journalists Fired for Refusing to Lie (10 minutes):


I just consider PressTV to be an independent media source, like American Free Press or Associated Press etc. etc. etc. Again, I look at a wide variety of sources, from mainstream stuff like MSNBC, BBC, and Al Jazeera, to more independent media such as American Free Press, Associated Press, PressTV, IfAmericansOnlyKnew.com, and more. all hooked to my RSS reader so i get a wide variety of news.

AlexD, sorry to see how angry of a person you are. accusing me of lying because I wanted to more fully explain my self. shame on you.

-Abe


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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AlexD, sorry to see how angry of a person you are. accusing me of lying because I wanted to more fully explain my self. shame on you.



You tried to pass Mullah's propaganda arm as an independent source, reporting honest news, while BBC, NBC etc censor news. You got called on that and refuse to address it. Instead you "explain" yourself by changing you story to "press.tv is just one of the many outlets I monitor, including BBC and NBC, and I don't take them at their word".

Why all this dishonest posturing? All you do is submit vile anti-Israel propaganda while pretending to be agnostic. You can't have it both ways.

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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: AlexD]
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lol Alex. I stand by my comments. I think PressTV is an honest and independent media, because I have never seen them censor a story. If I see a story get censored by them, I may start calling them dishonest.

What I consider dishonest is mainstream media outlets like BBC, NBC, MSNBC, who won't even allow for scientific discussion about what really caused 9/11, since any one of any intelligence (or lack there of) can re-examine the events of 9/11 and realize that a 'jet fuel-caused collapse' defies the law of physics. This is why I refer to BBC, NBC, etc., as dishonest, because they are not open, transparent media sources, since they censor topics like 9/11.

When PressTV censors something, I will label them as dishonest. Until then, they have appeared honest to me, reporting on every important topic, including Wikileaks releases and 9/11 (unlike mainstream media corps).

Furthermore, I was not lying when I said I do in fact monitor sources such as BBC, NBC, etc., in addition to sources like PressTV, Media Freedom International, and more. This is because I do not deny that 95-99% of the reporting from the mainstream media sources are accurate, but because they censor such major topics such as 9/11, I do not refer to them as honest media.  Still, I monitor mainstream media AND alternative media sources so that I get a wide range of perspectives.

I will not be wasting much more of my life replying to your hateful posts. You have shown much disrespect to me just for sharing my honest and open views with this forum, which has allowed me to conclude that you care very little about discussing evidence, rather, you just like to criticize.

Peace AlexD,

-Abe


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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I will not be wasting much more of my life replying to your hateful posts.

You need to get over yourself and realize this is the political forum where everybody is sooooo invested in their position they can't help themselves. You just called someone a moron in another post which btw is a direct personalism and not allowed in this forum. Take your lumps and dish em out but don't whine.:hissyfit:


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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> I think PressTV and other independent media sources are far more "honest" and "real" than corporate mainstream media

PressTV is NOT an independent media source.  It is a government run propaganda machine.  It is interesting to read in order to see what lies and half-truths the Iranian government is feeding their people.  You can get a sense of what the Iranian government feels is culturally important... how they are fanning the fires of hatred to manipulate their people and keep their population focused on others.  Do not believe for a second that anything PressTV puts out is "real" or "honest".  It is as far from the truth as Pravda was during the cold war.

Just become something is not corporate mainstream does not mean that it is independent.  Just because something is corporate mainstream does not mean that it is dishonest.


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: Seuss]
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And just because something is independent does not mean it's not biased.

I can't think of one news source without some bias.


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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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PookztA said:I think PressTV is an honest and independent media, because I have never seen them censor a story. If I see a story get censored by them, I may start calling them dishonest.


10 seconds of Googling later...
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The Guardian says: The regulator has launched a formal investigation into the complaint by Maziar Bahari, the Newsweek journalist who spent 118 days in a Tehran jail after being arrested while covering the protests over the disputed presidential election last June.

I understand that Ofcom is now awaiting a response from Press TV to a series of questions about its screening of an excerpt from an interview with Bahari that occurred while he was in jail.

After his release, Bahari complained to Ofcom that Press TV had obtained the interview while he was under "extreme duress" in a prison interrogation room.

He was unable to speak freely, being compelled to read answers from a prepared script. The Press TV interviewer also asked questions that were suggested by Bahari's interrogator, who was concealed behind a curtain. Those extraordinary circumstances were not revealed when Press TV screened an excerpt from the interview.

Bahari, who has since been sentenced in his absence to 13 years and six months in jail plus 74 lashes on a variety of trumped-up charges, regards the Press TV broadcast as reprehensible and "a total mockery of the Ofcom code and the notion of informed consent."


Just like the NYT.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
And just because something is independent does not mean it's not biased.

I can't think of one news source without some bias.


I would agree... though some are better than others.  However, the OP seems to think that any corporate news source is unreliable while any non-corporate news source is reliable.  To this, I disagree.  A government propaganda machine, such as PressTV, is going to be less reliable than almost any other news source.  It is good to read a variety of different viewpoints, but it is a mistake to discount a viewpoint simply because it comes from a corporate news source, or to give weight to a viewpoint because it comes from a non-co0rporate news source.


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: Seuss]
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OP also thinks US gov orchestrated 9/11, one may wonder why he would keep an official bullhorn of repressive theocracy in such high regard. No mystery here though.

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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: Seuss]
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Oh I agree.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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PookztA said:
New York Times pushing the "Wipe Israel Off The Map" lie is an example of the poor reporting the mainstream media often puts out.



semantics, you're stating something to be a lie simply because it's not the
exact wording, the message is still pretty much the same and all these
independent sources just have a slant you agree with


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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PookztA said:
What I consider dishonest is mainstream media outlets like BBC, NBC, MSNBC, who won't even allow for scientific discussion about what really caused 9/11


so people who cant examine the details of a photograph and determine
what some of the items in the picture are or why an event happened the
way it did or even get a general time line of how the event played out
are valid sources of information that should be aired on TV


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: AlexD]
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AlexD said:
OP also thinks US gov orchestrated 9/11, one may wonder why he would keep an official bullhorn of repressive theocracy in such high regard. No mystery here though.


way to assume things Alex, unfortunately you are wrong.

Point: I do not think our government organized 9/11. I think the Israeli Mossad possibly organized 9/11, with the help of a few US insiders and the Mainstream Media corporations, to trick us into thinking Arabs did it so we would go to war with Israel's enemies in the Middle East.

Look here...

Dr. Alan Sabrosky, from the U.S. Army War College, says that there is overwhelming evidence that the Israeli Mossad organized 9/11: http://911falseflagarchive.blogspot.com/2010/03/dr-alan-sabrosky-former-director-of_19.html


I do not support his view 100%, but I find it very possible.


Please don't assume things Alex, because you were wrong, and I am pretty sure that your incorrect assumption has played at least some role in your hostility towards me.

I support our government, and our troops, 100%.

Peace,

-Abe


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Spreading Psytrance & Love in the Midwest USA

Expand Your Consciousness. :mushroomgrow:

:peace: 9/11 Challenge: Explain the Evidence http://pookzta.blogspot.com

Edited by PookztA (07/02/10 11:38 PM)

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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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I support our government, and our troops, 100%.

Is that the propaganda you feed yourself? Or are you trying to save some face here?:lol:

You must think your audience fools.


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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: Icelander]
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PookztA,

Your sig has a link to your facebook group, and having read the comments beneath it I am sure there is absolutely no way that you believe yourself.

It also says you like spreading good vibes.  Having observed that you like to say very dark things about stuff you don't know and then distance yourself from the source, I think you like spreading really bad vibes.


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: Joie]
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PressTV is NOT an independent media source.  It is a government run propaganda machine.  It is interesting to read in order to see what lies and half-truths the Iranian government is feeding their people.  You can get a sense of what the Iranian government feels is culturally important... how they are fanning the fires of hatred to manipulate their people and keep their population focused on others.  Do not believe for a second that anything PressTV puts out is "real" or "honest".  It is as far from the truth as Pravda was during the cold war.


fox news is not better. but yes a government propaganda source is not very good, OP should have used multiple newspaper to back up his claim. Mossad has a long history of being total dicks and not caring about countries sovereignty at all when it comes to assasinating opponents. i don't think they would assassinate turkey's pm however.
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Point: I do not think our government organized 9/11. I think the Israeli Mossad possibly organized 9/11, with the help of a few US insiders and the Mainstream Media corporations, to trick us into thinking Arabs did it so we would go to war with Israel's enemies in the Middle East.


drop the conspiracy theory man, of course some of those theory are bound to be true , and you may research them as interesting but those conspiracy theory are just as politically motivated as the famous weapons of mass destruction in iraq.

israel or the united states government did gain something out of 9/11 but all they had to do was to let it happen. financing or helping it realize would have been far too incriminating if found out.
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semantics, you're stating something to be a lie simply because it's not the
exact wording, the message is still pretty much the same and all these
independent sources just have a slant you agree with


the message is not to exterminate the jewish population, or destroy the israeli state. it is to get the current israel government off. and while they may ask for the state to be dismantled, there is no hint of violent slaughter unlike the sentence 'wipe israel off the map'. i am sure the iranians would agree to a 1 state solution with all of palestine and israel being equal, unlike what some may say, the 2 state solution is a crazy hippy dream. the 1 state solution is not.


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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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I do not think our government organized 9/11. I think the Israeli Mossad possibly organized 9/11, with the help of a few US insiders and the Mainstream Media corporations



Whew...how could I ever took you for a 9/11 conspiracy theorist

Also please stop this "I don't support it 100% but i find it very possible" crap. It is clear as day that you fully believe all the anti-Israel propaganda BS you post. When you try to pass yourself as an agnostic it just makes you look dishonest.


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the message is not to exterminate the jewish population, or destroy the israeli state. it is to get the current israel government off



Poor Ahmadi and crew, all they want to do is "get current Israeli government off", nonviolently ofcourse, because basically they are just Avoda. But when it comes to actions they fully support HAMAS, whose stated goal is destruction of Israel and who proudly deliberately slaughter innocent Israeli civilians, and when it comes to words they say "this stain of disgrace [i.e. Israel] will be purged from the center of the Islamic world" or "Is it possible that an [Islamic] front allows another front [i.e. country] to arise in its [own] heart? This means defeat, and he who accepts the existence of this regime [i.e. Israel] in fact signs the defeat of the Islamic world".


Good to know there are those who can inform us as to what all this genocidal warmongering really means :thumbup:

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Re: Israeli Mossad Hit Men Targeted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan | June 24th, 2010 [Re: AlexD]
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Poor Ahmadi and crew, all they want to do is "get current Israeli government off", nonviolently ofcourse, because basically they are just Avoda. But when it comes to actions they fully support HAMAS, whose stated goal is destruction of Israel and who proudly deliberately slaughter innocent Israeli civilians, and when it comes to words they say "this stain of disgrace [i.e. Israel] will be purged from the center of the Islamic world" or "Is it possible that an [Islamic] front allows another front [i.e. country] to arise in its [own] heart? This means defeat, and he who accepts the existence of this regime [i.e. Israel] in fact signs the defeat of the Islamic world".


Good to know there are those who can inform us as to what all this genocidal warmongering really means


they fucking renounced the destruction of israel and recognize it. albeit i think they said they would do it under certain conditions. does israel ever care about the statements it makes encouraging VIOLENT overthrow of the iranian government, yet again double standard.

as for the deliberate slaughter of israeli citizens, isn't israel deliberately slaughtering palestinians? i'm sorry i thought life was equal on this planet. you gotta look at the number of people dieing on both side. you basicly ignore everything that israel does and focus on what hamas is doing, both side are ugly, but there is clearly a side which has the upper hand and doesn't care about abusing their power.


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