c0sm0nautt said:

We can't test a lot of things.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

Would one rather be close-mined and arrogant or a total fucking moron incapable of rational though?

Hmmmm, choices, choices...

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Diploid said:

A person's religious beliefs should have no bearing on their leadership qualities.

So you're cool with Ronald Reagan's consulting an astrologer to decide national policy? Wow.

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Diploid said:

Next you'll tell me Jim Jones would have made a good president.

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Quote:

By the spring of 1976, Jones began openly admitting even to outsiders that he was an atheist.

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Nah, I'd rather have a nutcase believer than a fool. 

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By the spring of 1976, Jones began openly admitting even to outsiders that he was an atheist.

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Diploid said:

Got link?  Falsehoods don't make much of an argument.

It's common knowledge that the Reagans believed in astrology, Nancy more so. And if you think Ronald was not influenced by his wife and their astrologers, no link I show you will convince you.

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Quote:

Regan, who frequently quarreled with Nancy Reagan, resigned in 1987 after the Iran-Contra affair and mixed reviews of his job performance. Although some claimed his revelations were meant as revenge, Regan revealed to the nation that Mrs. Reagan consulted Quigley in his autobiography For The Record.

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Diploid said:

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By the spring of 1976, Jones began openly admitting even to outsiders that he was an atheist.

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So what? He's not exactly credible. He founded "The Peoples Temple Christian Church Full Gospel".

Also from that link:

On December 13, 1973, Jones was arrested and charged with soliciting a man for sex in a movie theater bathroom known for homosexual activity... Jones is on record as later telling his followers that he was "the only true heterosexual"

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I thought what a person did sexually had nothing to do with how he did his job as president. 

Diploid said:

It's common knowledge that a lot of lies are told about former presidents.  You have no real evidence for that other than some disgruntled former employee.

You asked for a link. I linked Time Magazine. As I predicted nothing I present will convince you.

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This isn't the argument from personal credulity.  Nothing will convince me?  Try a reputable source. 

Diploid said:

I thought what a person did sexually had nothing to do with how he did his job as president.

You said he claimed to be an atheist, the facts show he was a bible thumper. And he claimed to be straight, the facts show he was into men.

It goes to credibility not orientation. Try to keep up.

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Doc_T said:

I don't see how praying is going to hurt the situation.
So now it's up to the people of the state; if they like this action and the results, keep voting for these gys.

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It continues a discourse that is known to be entirely defunct for such a situation.

For the same reasons that when five thousand people die in some natural human-related catastrophe and five survive, then those five blame their survival on prayer and cannot articulate why their god was better than the other four-thousand or so with their shared delusion/faith and they were saved from "his grace", we all go:

PPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFfffffffftttttttttttttt



Prayer hurts reactions to these things for the same reason getting drunk at nine in the morning hurts my productivity level on a given day.

It may be worth the time for them, but this is all PR and masturbatory. No help comes from praying. Or if it does, God is a bitch. A lose-lose either way.




~Monk