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OfflineFatNug
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WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal??
    #1270306 - 02/02/03 08:14 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Dr. Greer on George Noory Radio Show (01-31-03)
Announcement of promising new energy device found.
Archive of 1/30-31/03 program. [Windows Media Player format - about 35 minutes]

**I really don't kow what to say about this! it is frickin astounding!!!! So I'll keep my mouth shut and let you guys decide for yourselves.

http://www.netro.ca/asxfiles/disclosure/coasttocoast1_31_2003.asx

Are the oil wars over? Is humaity finally saved? can we pull energy out of our surrounding enviroment, and effictivly transform it into real usable energy? Will this thing actually make it to production for public use? thoughts?


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: FatNug]
    #1270376 - 02/02/03 08:40 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

What is astounding is that people keep falling for these type of devices. Do some research and you will find dozens of perpetual motion-type scams from the last century. Interestingly, most of the scammers tie the "invention" into the Bible or religion somehow.


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Swami]
    #1270445 - 02/02/03 09:06 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yea swami you're right man, if one person hoaxes a free energy machine, then they ALL must be hoaxes! I don't care if there are a million hoaxes out there, it only take ONE actual working effective device to change the world.

I am well aware of the many devices that have been "invented" but never worked or those that have met with an shadowy fate, I just thought it migt be interesting to post the declaration of a device that might be feesable. If it does work...GREAT!!, If it doesn't...Im not gonna lose any sleep over it. But should another one come out after this I will be excited about it, and if it doesn't work Ill be excited about the next one...and so on and so on, the cycle continues, because as I said before 1 machine is all it takes.

Just like crop circles...99% could be hoaxes, but that 1% that isn't is Earth shattering!


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: FatNug]
    #1270500 - 02/02/03 09:23 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The stupid thing about these is that people still listen to people like Dr. Greer after such a device proves a dud or hoax. They just let it slide and seize on the next magic engine. If this guy is as enthusiastic as he sounds I'd like him to stake his reputation and his project on the reality of this device, and if he can't put up, then that's it, he goes away and we never hear from him again.
But that won't happen. It'll drag on for a few months of 'tests' and then go nowhere and then there will be a new device and this one will be the one, and the True Believers will jump on that one excitedly. I've been following this stuff for a while actually because I find it interesting... but there's just no end to it.


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Xibalba]
    #1270874 - 02/02/03 12:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Zakkly. On the audio presentation, Greer gives a pre-announcement for an upcoming announcement; whatever the hell that means. Perhaps it means his foundation is running out of money and needs more funds.

I was totally relieved when Stephen told us it was a human invention and not stolen alien technology. *Whew*

BTW, is this the same guy that got a group together in Pahrump, Nevada a few years back and tried to signal to some UFOs with flashlights and strobes?


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: FatNug]
    #1270895 - 02/02/03 12:14 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

if one person hoaxes a free energy machine, then they ALL must be hoaxes!
Never said that, you did.

I don't care if there are a million hoaxes out there,
I do, that is a lot of shit to wade through.

it only take ONE actual working effective device to change the world.
Yes, and it only takes one Aladdin's lamp with a real genie; only one real leprechaun to give you the pot of gold and so forth.


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Swami]
    #1270937 - 02/02/03 12:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, negative entropy has been observed at very small scales for short periods of time. It may be possible to develop a machine that can extract energy from ambient heat.


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1271664 - 02/02/03 06:10 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Or just plug into the unlimited energy of the universe.. either way...


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: FatNug]
    #1271823 - 02/02/03 07:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Shit like this I don't believe until I see it.  :tongue:


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1272058 - 02/02/03 09:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

We'll use "Weaponized Entropy" as a by-productand use it to destroy other planets.


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: FatNug]
    #1272533 - 02/03/03 03:23 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"Yea swami you're right man, if one person hoaxes a free energy machine, then they ALL must be hoaxes! I don't care if there are a million hoaxes out there, it only take ONE actual working effective device to change the world. "

Yeah, but the odds that this is a scam are pretty friggin' high. If I spent any energy getting excited over this, I'd have to waste energy getting excited over 2465373474374521346 other ridiculous claims, and by that point I'd be so spent even a perpetual motion device wouldn't bring me back to life.

Until one of these claims comes with good evidence, I'm not going to take any of them seriously.

Oh yeah, I saw some really old guy wearing a Q-Ray bracelet the other day. I had to laugh. Age does not mean wisdom.


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Swami]
    #1272628 - 02/03/03 04:45 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

What is astounding is that people keep falling for these type of devices.



Isn't a solar cell a 'free energy machine?' Aren't devices that harness ocean wave power 'free energy machines?' The universe is literally awash in energy, but there is a shortage of innovative ways for humans to efficiently capture this energy and utilize it without defiling the environment.
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Do some research and you will find dozens of perpetual motion-type scams from the last century.



The device should be judged on it's own merits. Does it violate any known laws of physics? Is there a theoretical basis for it's function? How does it perform in controlled tests? (the most important question, seeing as human knowledge is limited and humans are fallible)


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Evolving]
    #1272713 - 02/03/03 05:28 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't a solar cell a 'free energy machine?' Aren't devices that harness ocean wave power 'free energy machines?

No more so than a hydro-electric dam. As we are not working for the energy, you could call it "free", but that is not the generally accepted definition, which typically means "no energy input into the system".

In the examples you gave, the input is solar energy.


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Phluck]
    #1272720 - 02/03/03 05:30 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

If I spent any energy getting excited over this, I'd have to waste energy getting excited over 2465373474374521346 other ridiculous claims, and by that point I'd be so spent even a perpetual motion device wouldn't bring me back to life.

LOL! You'd make a lousy cheerleader. :grin: 


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1272731 - 02/03/03 05:34 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Or just plug into the unlimited energy of the universe...

*checks house for UEOE outlet* Umm, can I buy an adaptor at Radio Shack?


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: FatNug]
    #1272779 - 02/03/03 05:56 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Free energy will never happen when people stand against each other.
People are to busy making profit, for some wiseguy to show up with something free that could destroy they're profit flow.

It will not happen. They made the hydro-engine disappear also. When Shell (the oil company) bought the product for  further research  . Sure, and monkey's will fly from my ass..  :smirk: 


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Swami]
    #1272787 - 02/03/03 06:00 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Isn't a solar cell a 'free energy machine?' Aren't devices that harness ocean wave power 'free energy machines?

No more so than a hydro-electric damn. As we are not working for the energy, you could call it "free", but that is not the generally accepted definition, which typically means "no energy input into the system".

In the examples you gave, the input is solar energy.



Then if there is a device that could capture zero point energy, it would not be called a 'free energy' machine by your definition.


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Evolving]
    #1272833 - 02/03/03 06:32 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The device should be judged on it's own merits.

Of course it should! - if you have infinite time to judge them all. This particular device has nothing on which to judge. As I already stated, it is a pre-announcement of a possible announcement, which is not even remotely convincing.

Whether such a "zero-point energy" device is from "free energy" or not, will make little difference if it works. I checked definitions here and there and they vary wildly, so I do not strongly back-up my definition as it is quite secondary to fucntionality.


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Re: WOW!!!! Zero point Energy Machine..Real deal?? [Re: Swami]
    #1274024 - 02/03/03 12:06 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

>>>*checks house for UEOE outlet* Umm, can I buy an adaptor at Radio Shack?<<<

Hmmm... I saw a "Universal Adapter" the other day. Could that be it?



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