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OfflineTraveller
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Re: Wow [Re: Adom]
    #453661 - 11/10/01 02:13 AM (22 years, 30 days ago)

i'm watching the thing now on the net, you say it checks out now how do i know they're not all actors? is this an experiment to see once again how people will believe stuff if "doctor" someone tells them? sociological experiments..."top secret this, government officials that, members of congress" etc.......


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Re: Wow [Re: flyguy]
    #453664 - 11/10/01 02:17 AM (22 years, 30 days ago)

what documented proof? how are the "witnesses" credible?

I would love to believe this stuff. but i try not to believe what i see on TV.


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Re: Wow [Re: Swami]
    #453838 - 11/10/01 10:10 AM (22 years, 30 days ago)

Im no believer, I just think its possible, no rage I just think your an asshole.


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Re: Wow [Re: Traveller]
    #453872 - 11/10/01 11:11 AM (22 years, 30 days ago)

I see what your getting at I just know that I have seen other things on connect live that weren't hoax's so the site is reputable, the streaming video is another matter when you bring in the possibitly of actors, none of the information mentioned on that isn't anything I haven't heard before though.


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Re: Wow [Re: Adom]
    #453875 - 11/10/01 11:14 AM (22 years, 30 days ago)

Im no believer, I just think its possible, no rage I just think your an asshole.

I suppose I could understand that you would feel that way about someone who is tired of people being duped and tries to open their eyes.

I guess it is better to let people wallow in their own ignorance and wake up on their own.



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Re: Wow [Re: flyguy]
    #455815 - 11/12/01 09:05 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

I wouldn't believe in the aliens even if the fucking president said they excisted.
People are so easily trusting to authorities etc.
I myself am an engineer, I fly airplanes and I'm also an officer(reserves) in the fucking army and people think that it makes me a trusty person. Rats ass. I smoke and do stuff, I represent my ideas basing them on others ideas and "research" which makes mine, or anybody elses claims more or less "untrustable".

Have you ever hear the term "cumulating lies"? Well, neither have I, I just invented it. Everyone changes the story slightly, with or without noticing it, and in the end the whole subject has changed.
We are built that way. We are not very good to observe for example cellestial or other rapidly changing phenomenas. Our eyes are observing but our brains distort the data constantly.
I've received dozens of phonecalls in the middle of the night from my neighbours, friends, relatives etc. to get up to see some fucking "amazing and incomprehendable" light phenomena on the sky. And every fucking time it has been a) a helicopter, b) Venus, c) moon, d) meteorite, e) a rocket from the Starcity, Ukrain or Kirun, Sweden....I could go on.
And I'm not even going to discuss deeply about all the lunatics on this planet.
Just for an example, take Teletubbies. A mind that can conceive that kind of hideus things is capable to do and think almost anything!


Finding an alien life form would be such a big thing that it's not enough proof if someone, no matter who, claims they excist. No matter what kind of photographs had been taken or how many kms of footage had been shot.

Think about the president again. He's to be serving the common good of people, and, for fucks sake, God and all that shit.
Look around you. Roughly 70% of the people are more or less idiots (maybe me too), i.e. people who are lacking logic of any kind. Also, I'm still waiting for concise proof of the excistence of god.
Lies are relative, there are big lies and small lies and things that are not true, but in any case, most of our lives are based on lies. And most of the time we don't even know it (I refer to the idiots now). Now if that's not sad then what is?

Wake up and smell the coffee.




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Re: Wow [Re: flyguy]
    #455826 - 11/12/01 09:33 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

Ok, just for fun, I'll add one of my experiences with the "conspiracy" theory.

Remember the Philadeplhia Experiment? If you dont' find info about that.

Anyway, I saw this ship in the port of Salamis, Greece in the summer 1999. My sisters friend works in the Navy base there and I got a "backstage passport" to the ship. And the ship is indeed Philadelphia, although its name is nowdays "Lion". You can find info about his also in the net, just search. The conspiracy thing is that the ships' logbook (which of course I didn't see) has missing pages. And the missing pages are, surprise, from the period when this Philadelphia experiment was carried out. Far out.
For most of the people this is fucking golddiamondsolidproof evidence that the experiment really happened. Well, I'm not convinced though.
Also, there are a lot of wires and electrical conduits in the ship that start and end nowhere. This, is of course proof of the machinery that made the ship, ooo, invisible!

Fuck, they should see my old car. I've spent a year trying to figure out where all the wires go.

And I'm not even going to the things that the crew of this ship claims have happened...dissappearing things and strange lights etc. All those happen in my room as well....

In anycase, this ship EXCISTS! It's right there, I touched it! And yet I still haven't found any proof that it was made invisible.

I'm sure that it wont be long 'till they find another UFO that has crashed down like in Roswell (yeah, like the aliens would travel across unimaginable distances through the void just to crash down in New Mexico) and the whole damn thing will start all over again. And after that we wont' be any wiser with this matter...


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Re: Wow [Re: Swami]
    #455859 - 11/12/01 10:18 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

I'm not going to even begin arguing with you, I don't really care what you believe or what your principles are, really I shouldn't of flamed you so I'm sorry for that, I am leaving now.


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Re: Wow [Re: Stonerwitch]
    #456049 - 11/12/01 01:44 PM (22 years, 28 days ago)

"Fuck, they should see my old car. I've spent a year trying to figure out where all the wires go. "

"...dissappearing things and strange lights etc. All those happen in my room as well.... "

HAhA, lol. I agree. i actually saw a green light in my keyhole in my room once (sober), and stuff disapears all around me too. I probably have a few loose wires inside my head too, so I suppose I was invisible at one time :)



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Re: Wow [Re: Stonerwitch]
    #456191 - 11/12/01 04:23 PM (22 years, 28 days ago)

Governments do thier best at disinformation.

I have been to "the places that don't exist.". My own father worked fo the U.S. "Shadow Government". MJ12 and Omega Agency are just things to keep folks interested. The truth is that there is no truth. Everything for the past fifty years is smoke and mirrors. The whole world is being led around by the blind.
I hear people say "If I have not seen it, I don't believe in it.".
You have never seen your own brain, therefore by your own reasoning you have admitted to not having a brain. Just because a college stupified scientist has not served it to you on
a platter of lie laced fact, does not mean it does not exist.

Fusion for years and decades was thought to be pure fantasy. Within twenty years there will be commercial fusion generators. And another little bit of information for you. Seeing as you are Russian, you must have heard of the Tunguska incident. All the blabbering scientists have, for years, been trying to prove it was an asteroid or comet that caused that blast. Balistically this
is almost impossible. For an asteroid to have penetrated the atmosphere and then _detonate_ just before impacting is crazy. For the size of the blast it would have had to made out of high explosive and then it would have left meteoric dust and ash on everything. There was nothing like that found. I'll tell you what it was. At that same point in history there was a brilliant man named Nikola Tesla. He was experimenting with projected electricity. He was a bit ticked off at Tom Edison for stealing all of his ideas, including Alternating Current. So he decided to show the world just how revolutionary his new form of broadcasted energy could be. Unfortunatly his math was quite off and instead of launching his ball of plasma over the North Pole, Where Admiral Perry was journeying to at the same time, it went lopsided and landed in Tunguska. It detonated quite violently. Shortly after this Tesla was shut down and forced into historical obscurity.


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INVISIBILITY! [Re: Felstorm]
    #456203 - 11/12/01 04:32 PM (22 years, 28 days ago)

>Governments do thier best at disinformation

this is very true. one of my parents friends works as an independently contracted engineer. he's 60 and lives in santa barbara. the government calls him in every month or so to work on projects. his wife left him because his work was so secret he couldn't tell her about it. they give him lie detector tests quite often and the procedures he told me about just for getting into the working facility were rediculously complicated. last week i went out to dinner with my father and this man and he is currently working on a project related with the current war. he couldn't tell us anything about it except one clue, and believe me we pressed him for a while on this. all he could say was:
have you seen the movie predator?
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what made the predator so special?

of course immediately i realized, INVISIBILITY! i mean, this guy told us the that his boss' basically wanted him to do the impossible and his team is actually making progress on something he didn't think they could do. now if shit like invisibility is going down, i know there has to be TONS of things we don't know...


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Re: INVISIBILITY! [Re: geokills]
    #456215 - 11/12/01 04:48 PM (22 years, 28 days ago)

For the past few years, the US military has had suits similar to predator's. They cost like a million+ a piece and use fiber optics, lcds, and light senors to turn a person into their surroundings. The only disadvantages that I know of are the weight and cost of the units plus you aren't completely invis, but a special forces guy walking infront of a brick wall goes pretty much unseen. Perhaps this man is helping to develop the next generation of invis/refraction suits.


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Re: Wow [Re: Felstorm]
    #456610 - 11/12/01 10:50 PM (22 years, 27 days ago)

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At that same point in history there was a brilliant man named Nikola Tesla.




Tesla is the shit!!! He had energy guns that could shoot airplanes down. He had a plan to form an electricity matrix around the world, that would be free for anyone to tap into. Unfortuneately that didn't jive with big business at the time. They got the government to shut him down. He has tons of awesome patents though. I once made a Tesla coil. Shot about 30,000 volts out the end i believe.



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Re: Wow [Re: Felstorm]
    #456804 - 11/13/01 08:32 AM (22 years, 27 days ago)

Allright Felstorm (and others), take your time to read this....
Where in the hell did you read that crap?
A plasma ball shot over the north pole by Nikola Tesla?
First of all the "fireball" came from south eastern sky, not over the north pole as you claim.
And it is exactly the trajectory of the fireball that made it's explosion possible near the surface as it's speed wasn't that enormous...
According to some calculations (of which' information is availlable for ALL and EVERYONE could repeat the calculations on their own) based on the size of the impact wave (which is CLEARLY VISIBLE on the ground) the comet or asteroid exploded at the altitude of 7.6 km, not right above the trees like some suggest.

The fragments of the comet/asteroid hit the earth with great speed and partly metamorphised the bed rock in the area (which is still VISIBLE nowdays), meaning that the mass and density of the c/a was considerable. The shock waves were noticeable in the Scandinavia (where I live and which IS NOT IN THE FUCKING RUSSIA) and the dust caused by the impact colored the evening sunsets red through out europe.

I must stress that the Tunguska incident is the first of its kind in the HUMAN history (not in earths history) and the results of physical measurements on the spot have been more or less strange. That doesn't mean that something unnatural happened. For example the biological growth of the flora around the area was multiplied. Nothing special about that when you consider the temperatures this kind (near)impact causes.

Nearly 40 expeditions have been carried out to the area and the current issue under consideration right now is whether it was a comet or an asteroid, not if it was an alien cruiser having a major malfunction (again) or Teslas' superblastercoilgun experiment right after discovering the fucking light bulb.

(Yes, I've done my home work on this during the past 15 years or so. I find this matter extremely exciting.)

Also, it is said that the tail of the fireball reached well over 500 kms which is typical for comets or asteroids when they burn in the atmosphere. If a plasma recharge, as you say, had a tail like this, it would consume it's energy during the blast off. Anyway, we are now reaching the murky waters as we are basing assumptions on human witnesses.


EPILOGUE:
My fucking cat was fucking lost last summer and it was never found. What do you think? Was it abducted by the fucking aliens or was it hit by a fucking car? Hmmm...

Always eliminate the unprobable based on facts, then see what's left. Then eliminate some more until the truth fits in the laws of physics we CURRENTLY know. Other wise the answer has no scientific value what so ever.

It is always easy to deny many things to look "intelligent" and "wise" and base everything on your life in hard science to make yourself look like a trusty person. But not in my case. I really really honestly wish that the thing in Tunguska was an alien ship, Teslas new invention or something like that.
It would stimulate my imagination more than a wet pussy, but, unfortunately this wasn't the case....So I'm left here with a cold pussy and a warm beer...

I'm terribly sorry about the cursing but I've had a loong and shitty day and I'm pouring it all over you...


Just for fun couple of pics how it would look like if the comet or asteroid hit the surface. Both these craters are less than 100km from where I live.


This happened 550 million years ago. Size of the meteorite: 220m, speed: 30m/s


77.3 million years ago. size: 300-400m


AVERAGE FREQUENCY OF IMPACTS on the earth can be estimated from the amount of scrap material zipping around the solar system and the observed distribution of craters on the moon. A two-kilometer rock, capable of wreaking damage worldwide, falls once every million years on average. (In relating size to explosive energy, this graph assumes a stony asteroid at 20 kilometers per second.)


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Re: Wow [Re: D_Tox]
    #456913 - 11/13/01 11:29 AM (22 years, 27 days ago)

Tesla is the shit!!! He had a plan to form an electricity matrix around the world, that would be free for anyone to tap into. Unfortuneately that didn't jive with big business at the time. They got the government to shut him down.

Unfortunately if didn't gibe with physics. Big Business had nothing to do with it. Air has a very high dieletric rating - meaning lots of resistance. Too much power was dissipated through his wireless transmission method to be of any use.


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Re: Wow [Re: Swami]
    #456918 - 11/13/01 11:41 AM (22 years, 27 days ago)

In reply to:

Unfortunately if didn't gibe with physics. Big Business had nothing to do with it. Air has a very high dieletric rating - meaning lots of resistance. Too much power was dissipated through his wireless transmission method to be of any use.




Well, I've studied a lot of Tesla, and he knew his physics my friend. Anyway, power takes into account both amperage and voltage. Most of Tesla's methods drastically increase voltage (which can greatly reduce amperage). Since many of our inventions are current driven this wouldn't be much use. However, things like lights (flourescent at least) use voltage. For example, if you brought a flourescent light anywhere near my Tesla coil when it was turned on, the light bulb would light up to its full capacity.

As for the world-wide matrix, it would've required big towers to be built around the world to generate it. However, they were no bigger than all the current bullshit we build to transmit power. And you can't tell me his principles are bogus, I've seen them demonstrated by qualified professors.


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Re: Wow [Re: D_Tox]
    #457566 - 11/13/01 10:54 PM (22 years, 26 days ago)

anywhoo, back on the subject... I've been doing a little research and trying to check out names from those on the disclosure project. The one dude from the FAA (you'll have to forgive me, I don't have his name right in front of me, Gallegher i think?) checks out. Dr. Greer and about 20 of his "witnesses" actually are doing "tours" to try and convince congress to start hearings. They supposedly have about 200 others waiting for immunity to testify, because they are still in government positions.

For those of you who don't believe in other life forms?.... Well, many people used to think the stars revolved around the earth (which of course was flat) but we have all made it past that I hope.... open your mind....



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Re: Wow [Re: flyguy]
    #457626 - 11/14/01 12:02 AM (22 years, 26 days ago)

The earth is flat.
http://www.flat-earth.org/


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Re: Wow [Re: D_Tox]
    #457746 - 11/14/01 03:23 AM (22 years, 26 days ago)

Well, I've studied a lot of Tesla, and he knew his physics my friend.

Yes, he knew the physics of his day and was trying to expand the knowledge of electricity. This is called "experimentation". The experiment failed.

Since many of our inventions are current driven this wouldn't be much use. However, things like lights (flourescent at least) use voltage. For example, if you brought a flourescent light anywhere near my Tesla coil when it was turned on, the light bulb would light up to its full capacity.

Yes, when it was brought near - which was my point exactly. Power dissipates drastically the further you go from the source making in unviable. The fluorescent bulb glows due to the excitation of the rare gas ions. This has no application for any type of machines or motors. It would have no effect on an incandescent bulb.

Once again - no big business conspiracy.

As for the world-wide matrix, it would've required big towers to be built around the world to generate it. However, they were no bigger than all the current bullshit we build to transmit power.

I am communicating with you through the use of "bullshit" power generation.

And you can't tell me his principles are bogus, I've seen them demonstrated by qualified professors.

Tesla was a genius and we use many of his ideas today. A/C, motors, etc. He tried many things; some worked and some didn't. Such is the nature of scientific experimentation.

I challenged your paranoid idea of suppression and you turn that into a negative statement about the man. Please read what was written.


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Re: Wow [Re: flyguy]
    #457869 - 11/14/01 08:21 AM (22 years, 26 days ago)

Alright, I said it in a wrong way. What I meant was that I don't believe in aliens visiting our planet, not now or earlier.

Just basing an assumption on mathematics, the universe must be quite full of life. But then again, using mathematics again, it's not probable that they've visited us. I'm not going into details this time, but it would require the use of black holes, speeds way faster than light etc., until we would have even countable probability to have visitors.

Of course you say now that all that have been proved possible and so on, but that's not true. There are enormous amount of technical difficulties involved. Sending a vessel to Alpha Centauri, our nearest solarsystem, would require energies that are much greater than the energy production of our WHOLE planet at the moment.

Now, I'm sure that these problems can be solved in the distant future, but until then, we cannot assume that some other civilation has found the solution to these very same problems. We can't, that's not the way the science works!

And even if we found out an usable way, say, to keep open a black hole, (a full proof way that we have tested), that only increses our odds to have a visit by fraction...the distancies are so unbelievable....

A much bigger news for me would be if the scientists invented a (radio)telescope that could detect distant small planets AND some basics of their environment. That way we would have an idea for where to look life for. And knowing this, we'd know that another civilation could achieve the same...increasing slightly again the possibility of the ENCOUNTER OF A THIRD KIND! Bwahahaa, bring me my light saber!

Yes, if the aliens same day would visit us, we'd propably been long dead as a human race. And if we weren't dead, we'd probably kill them on their arrival...I mean look at this shit hole earth right now...


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