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 Psuper Psilocybin   Registered: 02/12/08 Posts: 2,878 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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The OP just sounds like he's angry in general. The way the OP talks about "strains", "genus", and "turning plates into syringes" doesn't even make sense. Most cultivators here already know that those kits are pieces of crap. They are a whole variety of over-priced things for lazy people in this world. A few years back some vendors were selling syringes full of LC with black specks in them. That was a real scam. The original post ends with the OP talking about mail fraud and wanting to muder people! This is completely stupid. 
NO! 
-------------------- Clinical Management of High Dose Psilocybin Sessions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
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psilocyber old hand  Registered: 06/08/99 Posts: 1,858 Last seen: 4 days, 1 hour |
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I think it's probably worth saying, just so there is no speculation on this: I can assure you this poster is NOT referring to operations at Sporeworks. Our company has been in business for over 11 years, providing quality, verified spore samples, and I think our reputation, as well as customer feedback can verify this.
1. Our material is what it is sold as. Spore strains are maintained separately, species as well. Our large catalog is difficult to maintain, and that is where we "earn our money." If you order B+, you are getting B+, if you order Penis Envy, you are getting Penis Envy. Same is true for our exotics... Ps. mexicana Jalisco is as it claims, just as Ps. mexicana A-strain, ect. If you order Ps. azure Hammond, you are getting the same Ps. azure Hammond we started selling nearly a decade ago. 2. Our labs and sterile procedures are top notch. Our people take this very seriously. This is reflected in the quality of our product. We do not make "$15k" worth of spore syringes in an afternoon in a dirty lab... 3. Our prices are based on fair and reasonable cost and markup. I think it is fair to say that this poster's representation of the people he worked for is NOT indicative of the wages, salaries, or profits made by our company. There is a fair amount of investment and maintenance that goes into producing quality product AND providing professional, responsive customer service. None of us are retiring any time soon, and it's fair to say that none of us are driving a BMW. I just thought it was worth saying, so folks here don't think this poster's claims are indicative of the entire "spore vendor industry." Our company is small, our people are highly skilled, dedicated, and honest. It is regretful this poster had such a bad experience with his former employers. All I can say is there are "bad apples" in any industry. I think the Shroomery does an excellent job of "weeding out" bad, insincere, or dishonest vendors and goes a long way in providing a customer protection service for the members here.
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Psuper Psilocybin Registered: 02/12/08 Posts: 2,878 Loc: PNW Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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Absolutely. Sporeworks is the company to do business with. You guys are great.   ~P~
-------------------- Clinical Management of High Dose Psilocybin Sessions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
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 dancefloordale Research Assistant  Registered: 02/13/09 Posts: 2,522 |
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This sounds just as plausible as my Hydra Tek, which by the way everyone should check out.
-------------------- Everything posted by the user dancefloordale, aside from what is written in this here clause is completely and utterly fictitious, despite any information read (or seen), above (or below) that might lead you to believe otherwise. Hydra Tek - A detailed guide, for newest to the most skilled cultivators. HCA Bulk growing made easy-discussion Bulk Growing Made Easy
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amused Stranger? Registered: 03/31/09 Posts: 54 Last seen: 12 years, 11 months |
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I agree with Psuper. Done business with the works a few times and ive never been disappointed.
even sent my buddy an extra syringe once. cant get any better then that. thats a company that takes care of its customers. -------------------- Only man is mortal, in the sense that only man is aware that he is mortal. -Isaac Asimov
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Josh84 Stranger  Registered: 05/03/10 Posts: 51 Last seen: 16 years, 3 months |
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They all look pretty good to me. But I think I might have an idea what one it was.
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Optx PronouncedAwp-Tiks   Registered: 03/28/05 Posts: 977 |
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i love you SporeWorks. and you too Psuper!
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Cloneufc Master Exploder!   Registered: 11/15/07 Posts: 1,237 Loc: Las Vegas 
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I think he's talking about Spores101, not a shroomery vendor. Sporeworks rocks! They are very professional. I have ordered from many other vendors and it felt like a homemade operation. When I order from Sporeworks I never have to worry about contams or bunk syringes. I have ordered atleast 25 syringes and not one mixed up syringe,contam or bunk syringe ever. Sure they are the most expensive but I'd gladly pay a few bucks more for peace of mind.
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Cloneufc's easy Penis Envy spore tek! Cloneufc's easy Cloning tek Cloneufc's 360 degree LC Cloneufc's No foil jar tek! Cloneufc's Breaking up spores Edited by Cloneufc (05/05/10 03:03 AM)
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rustycobwebs Green mold cultivator Registered: 12/17/05 Posts: 799 Last seen: 11 years, 5 months |
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I had not considered that a spore print itself could become contaminated. Thinking about contaminants makes me want to clean my house several times..... Anyways, I found this thread useful. It is always a good idea to remind yourself that if it's being sold, someone somewhere is trying to sell something that seems exactly like it but is totally bogus. -------------------- and let it be so Praise Psilocybe
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johnuk Strangerlove Registered: 06/13/05 Posts: 226 Last seen: 16 years, 3 months |
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There are some valid questions being asked, points put forward and suggestions made, so I'll post a massive multiquote reply to all (well, most of you), for your enjoyment. Get ready boys... this will be loooooong. I won't be replying to all the thank you's other than to say thanks in return, since I need to focus on the replies that require a specific response. And so it begins...
I was never expecting anyone to say thanks to me, only that I might get some replies showing that people had read it, appreciated there was another side to all this or found it interesting. When you tell me you've learned nothing from what I've said, mention my safey and then immediately follow it with "seriously, what's the point", I begin to very strongly question what your own motives are. I'll make this extremely clear, so there's no subtly left. I now take a psychotically dim view of anything that seems remotely threatening to me, which your reply does. I'll give out some genuine advice. If anyone is involved or thinking of getting involved in the way I think they have the potential to be, given the remark about my physical safety, not learning anything and the "what's the point?" statement, have a heart felt think about what you say or do next, because a single misplaced word or slightest hint of something funny going on will be enough to get things started. I know the people I'm discussing have girlfriends, wives and that a child is involved. Now that they've spontaneously threatened my own family, and taught me how they like to play, I've taken some notes and even improved on them. My own response to anyone repeating the threats, or in anyway involved with inspiring them, will be severe enough they'll wish it was as simple as murder. I have spent a long time thinking of the ways I'd like to hurt these people, and have come up with some fairly inventive ideas. I can also say that people involved with the authorities already know that I've been threatened in the past, as do a number of other people who know the names of the people involved, and I have a perfectly valid excuse for doing certain things that other people can't; as per what the law tells me I am justified or at least partially excused for under those circumstances. They, do not. I am an incredibly resourceful person. I've come face to face with people who've gone to great lengths to hide their identity and address before; even when these people have only operated over the phone or internet. The people involved would also do well to remember how impressed they were with my ability to do so, which they themselves lacked. I'm positive the higher authorities could learn something from how I accomplish this seemingly magical trick. And if I feel threatened again, I'll find the people involved. I can also tell where certain threats are coming from, or who's inspired them. They can have a go at stopping me. I doubt they will; I'm often awake at some fairly odd times or purposefully watching for out of place behavior in the environment around me. And even if they succeed, someone else will now follow after me, until they have nothing left in life. This is not idle threat, as these people are so fond of making in a subtle way, it's simply a statement of fact.
Lolz! Forced on you?  "Nah, SERIOUSLY, I'm cool!" "Have some mo.." "NO!"
If you get involved enough with the forum, you'll be able to tell who's likely to know what they're doing and if they'll be capable of producing decent prints. If someone is trading a bunch of prints, they inevitably want ones back that'll do something and probably have the skills and equipment to make clean prints in the first place; needing them as they do to clean up dirty prints they receive. Checking their trade comments is a good place to start. Agar plates are also a great way to clean up prints. You can get some dirty bastard of an outdoors print, swipe it over the agar and incubate it. The green meany will undoubtedly appear. But you'll also see fluffy white regions, which are your culture of interest. Cleaning the print is as simple as taking your scalpel and cutting those white areas out. Before doing a bulk inoculation with them, you'll probably want to put the desired cultures back onto some agar and incubate them for a little again. If nothing nasty appears. Success! It's not as complicated or time consuming as it seems and renders the whole dirty prints problem dead in the water. This way, you can also acquire the more interesting prints from the more powerful species that only seem to like growing outside, which the spore ring have from time to time. Always send them a present in return. But I appreciate what you're saying.
It does, which is something I was worried about when I made it. However, there is another way to see this. You will have heard from people who've bought from this company and failed with their products. If you pay attention to where they've been buying them from, you won't run into them. Easy. What you're asking for is spoon feeding given the nature of the topic. I have two other options. Firstly, I don't bother making you aware of the finer details of how some elements of this world operate. Secondly, I expose myself to more threats. The first is something I'm having to deal with right now, having spent literally hours typing replies to you all and having the edit function wipe them all. The second is not going to happen.
One contamined syringe and jar of green on it's way to you. There's nothing wrong with charging for your products. There is something wrong with lying to your customers, manipulating them, biasing the entire system in your favor and charging exponentially more than your product is worth.
That is at odds with the quantities of material we were selling and the fact that a signficant amount of it ended up in the hands of people on this forum.
Doing it all yourself will unquestionably put a much bigger grin on your face at the end and result in you being far more knowledge and better at what you're doing. Another matter of principle regarding shrooms is that if you're the kind of person who considers crashing them when they start upsetting you, you're not the kind of person who should be bringing the experience upon yourself in the first place. When you eat these kinds of things, you're offering an open invite to guests with very definite personalities to call round. If you then turn some of them away at the door, you'll upset them, a lot, and they'll be back for a suprise visit at a later date. They have some very important things they want to teach you, and are equally dedicated in making their point. If you don't want to hear it, tough. And don't ask any them round in the first place, since the ones you want to see will undoubtedly bring the ones you don't with them. And you're entirely missing the point if you only want to hear from some of them.
The former point is not quite right. Some of them are okay, but there are some so nasty and manipulative I see some of you are struggling to appreciate it could actually be true. The latter point is pretty much on the money. And will save you a lot of it.
I am angry. I'm angry I was involved with such a shitty group of people when I'd hoped to meet a genuine, peaceful, honest group of hippies, like my tree hugging self. I'm angry I lost so much money to these people and gave them so much of my time and effort. I'm angry that I finally worked out what they were spending the money they owed me on; railing coke, crack, opiates and 'other problems'. I'm angry I was threatened. I'm angry I was threatened due to their own problems becoming too much for them to handle. They couldn't handle the drugs they were taking, the debts, the legal problems and they weren't responsible people. I'll give you a direct example of how irresponsible they were, the 'other problems' I mentioned included the statutory rape of a minor. Rather than face up to what he'd done when he was caught, his initial response was to leave the country. Most of all, I'm angry my family were threatened. The fucking lowest you can ever go. And they were able to threaten me because I'd been stupid enough to provide them with my home address to make setting up their international operations easier when I wasn't at my other address to take deliveries. Prior to them entirely changing their characters. A mistake I will never be repeating. They didn't simply make the threat directly to me with regards to my family, they made a particularly worrying phone call to my family home and left a message on the answer machine. Which my mum then received and was worried about enough that she immediately called me. If they didn't intend it in that way, they're idiots to think it would have been thought of in any other way. And these people are not idiots. My own phone was on and didn't get called. They went straight to my family home, knowing I wasn't there. There was a message within that message. This all happened around two years ago. Back then, I'd have just come on here shouting abuse. You'll notice that I don't focus much on shouting abuse at them in the original post, but on detailing what was happening.
I have studied molecular cell biology at a university level. My tutor was a Dr who worked with fungi. I set up a lab that was superior to my university's new biology department in terms of sterility. The labs I am using for comparison were piled high with equipment that cost thousands of pounds, per unit; hence the key coded, special access permissions to the doors. The door system would even keep track of who'd swiped themselves in and when. I had to write a risk assessment for the department and have it reviewed by the safety officers to take any of my own cultures into the lab. Those labs were also being used by qualified mycologists who were performing genetic analysis work on mycorrhizal fungi that would then go on to be published in journals. I know ergot inside out, back to front and upside down, better than anyone else on this forum. I have worked for a company producing thousands of syringes and selling thousands of dollars worth of them on a regular, daily basis. I have eaten more in one go than you're likely to ever try. Your turn.
I believe you've just revealed your own level of knowledge on this subject, and it doesn't qualify you to make comments on my own. I'll take a guess that you also believe you need microgram balances to lay up acid.
Clearly not enough, given how many orders we were getting.
The black specks in a lot of Psilocybe syringes are gills fragments that have been left by the printing process and ended up in the filling media. If you buy a syringe with gill fragments in it, the spores germinate and metabolize the gills, and then form mycelium in transit to your door, with your name on the envelope. If the authorities open said package they can then arrest you, when you eagerly accept delivery, for being in possession of the myeclium, which contains a Schedule 1 drug. A point I made to the owners, and they didn't fix.
You haven't read the post carefully enough, or gotten the message, if you can't figure out why I'm mentioning that.
Good, you have an opinion. Now let's check it's based on something resembling reality. Have you ever been threatened, or had your loved ones threatened, with physical violence? Here are some of the things you'll have undoubtedly heard if you know what you're talking about; "Messing with us is like throwing a stone at a freight train" "We're a big group, we know people who live near you who can sort you out for us. We have a lot more money to spend on this than you do" "I know addicts who'll do some serious stuff for money" Wake up from your trpytamine based illusions of reality to the equally trippy reality I'm trying to make you aware of. I will also point you towards the Pickard acid lab, an example you'd think would involve the most peace loving people around. Have a detailed read around the people running it, their acquaintances, the supply networks, the stratergies used and the whole topic. I'll give you a hint at what you'll discover, it's very complex and not what you'd expect. If you think I'm some simpleton who inspired them to threaten me or let them do it easily, you're a thousand miles off the mark. Their ability to manipulate the other members of staff was exponentially worse. One burst into tears for fourty five minutes after a phone call she received from them. Edited by johnuk (05/05/10 06:19 AM)
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plurfekt Finally Grateful  Registered: 12/14/09 Posts: 1,919 Loc: USA |
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It's commonly known information here... that most vendors are scam artists.
Simple solution: Shroomery Sponsors. Sadly, people are so naive that a "it wasn't us" warning is actually necessary to keep things running smoothly for the legit sponsors. I don't blame you! People are uninformed and typically naive. Again, the result: SHROOMERY SPONSORS - They will not rip you off. They have great customer service. Good prices, better products. SHROOMERY SPONSORS = TRIED AND TRIED AGAIN SAFE. I think a moderator should close this thread, and ban the IP address that left it. No one benefits from anonymous misinformation about things that are already known to those who care enough to read a little. If you want to be a man, go after them for REAL, and prove your even real. Or go into hiding and leave anonymous messages, whatever floats your boat. 
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johnuk Strangerlove Registered: 06/13/05 Posts: 226 Last seen: 16 years, 3 months |
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At the risk of further exposing myself and my family to violence, you are correct. In fact, you were a main topic of conversation and a main target for competition. I had initially wanted to end up working with someone like Sporeworks, where I might have actually enjoyed what I was doing and been able to have some pride in my effort. Your point about money is also correct. You deserve something back. With these people, the prices were similar, but the quality was out of line with those prices. I can let you into some secrets as well. I believe the people I'm discussing had actually met you in person. They also mentioned things happening in Jamaica and were interested in getting involved. They discussed hiring, I quote verbatim, "hard ass pipe hitting niggers" to deal with any problems from competitors. Luckily, I believe the remaining owner of this company is too stoned out of his tiny mind and busy sweating and twitching as he waits for his next opiate fix that he's never going to be a problem for you. You may know who I'm talking about if he came out to meet you in person. The sweating, twitchyness and hyperactive personality were fairly key features of his persona when I met him.
I can't help but grin when you say that. Especially when you say it again immediately after.
Have you tried feeding them something like Trytophan / 5-HTP or some other novel substrate inclusion, like sleepy grass? That may negate the need for a bigger crop. I'll let you into something the minority know, a great deal of work was done on this subject, and published, with regards to increasing the output of the ergoline bioreactors supplying people like Sandoz in the 60's. If you visit 'Ask Shulgin', you'll see he discusses using Psilocybin for manipulation of other interesting substrates into psychotropics. If you're worth your word when it comes to drugs, you'll not only know his name but think of him as a god when it comes to the subject at hand. Another trick that you may wish to explore, or write a tek on stick your own name on it if it's of any use  (I'm only teasing, but you can genuinely go right ahead and do that), involves incubating rice before you sterilize it.Rice is virtually pure carbohydrate and has little nutritional value beyond that. But it does have some untapped potential hiding within. When the rice gets wet and warm, it triggers the enzymes within it start metabolizing and resynthesizing the carbohydrate into more diverse things. They produce a lot of additional nutrient variety as they do so. The products of the metabolism are proteins, which may be of benefit to the shrooms soon to be growing within. The process may also generate other, none protein related, products that may also be worthwhile to the mycelium. The metabolic and synthesis systems in the rice are using the carbohydrate as a battery whilst they lie in a dormant state themselves. This idea isn't based on something I've cooked up myself, beyond using it for your questionable lust to soar even higher.  It was scientifically demonstrated and published that rice does this. It was in response to the poorer nations relying on rice as their primary source of nutrition, resulting in the predictable outcomes that they display in terms of their health. Some kind hearted folk thought up the idea, and then demonstrated it works, that by leaving their rice in a bucket of warm water for a day or two, they could significantly improve it's nutritional value to their diet without them having to spend a single penny more. Excellent work, and 10/10 from me.Increasingly variety in your substrate is almost always a good thing. Horse poo, soil and wood chips produce some of the strongest sh-roooooooms around. Why might that be? They mycelium is still growing mainly from the carbohydrate sources in them. What's different between them and rice is that the first example is full of all kinds of other stuff the mycelium might find handy for making this or that and not just pure energy, like the tools it needs to do what you want it to; requiring proteins and enzymes (which are specialized proteins). Psilocybe would produce precisely zero of what you're interested, and entirely fail to grow in the first place, if it wasn't for having these sets of tools to hand. Now for some advice on how to go about the details of doing this. In your case, it won't work if you incubate the rice after sterilizing the media, because you'll have thermally destroyed the enzymes that perform the conversions. Also, you'll produce a much more thorough sterilization if you incubate the media (and this applies to anything, not just rice) before you sterilize it. Why? The green meany, endospores and the various other twats inevitably present in your media are, like the twats I met, incredibly good at hiding and protecting themselves. In their dormant state, they are just about the hardest things in nature to kill. Which is what makes anthrax a good biological weapon; not it's mortality rate, which is actually quite low. For anthrax, it's ability to go from being alive to pretending to be dead, and being incredibly difficult to genuinely kill. And it does this as soon as someone coughs it's self out of their mouths. With anthrax, you can't simply nuke people in the microwave to kill the organism once it comes out of a dormant phase. They wouldn't fit in. And anyway, it wouldn't do much to help since it's sleeping friends would already be littering the atmosphere around those people, waiting to find a new host. The only thing it would do would be to stop it reproducing. This is an open system, in that the person infected with the organism, which looks remarkably like a fungal spore whilst it's snoozing, doesn't contain all of the organisms. With your media, you can not only do that, but it's a sealed system, you have all the organism in one place, ready for execution. Awwww... poor little guys. Just trying to get by in life and getting nuked by drug addicts. When you incubate your media for a little while before sterilization, the problem causers come out of their dormant phase and back into the domain of life. Unluckily for them, there is a very expensive price they have to pay for the privilege, and it's their protection. Just the same as how someone wanting to grow their own shrooms has to present themselves to the risk of going to jail. Their ability to protect themselves drops as they do so, it catastrophically drops. Once they are back from the dead, they are just as open to execution as your Psilocybe is open to contamination. Heat them up, and their imminent thermal death certificate has been signed. This is a technique used in labs with substrates that are difficult to sterilize. Psilocybe is not a very strong form of life. If anything upsets it or tries to get in it's way, it's very easy for it to loose the battle and the war, giving way to the evil Green armies; who are equally impressive in their wish to live and the aggressiveness with which they fight to do so. So getting your media as clean as can be is only ever a good thing. Any with things like poo, it can be fairly tricky to get it sterile and not thermally destroy all the more useful things in it. Have no fear, this trick will also benefit you if you're only going on to pasteurization. In short, prepare your media, make sure it's damp and somewhere warm, leave it for a little while, bake, inoculate. And remember what the girls say, bigger is not always better. If it won't even fit it, it's not going to feel that good. Some of the strongest shrooms I've eaten have been pretty small and the opposite of plentiful in their numbers; almost as if the mycelium is pouring all it's efforts into those few lone attempts at reproducing.
A lot of them are being made by the same guy, sat behind his computer whilst he plans his next ingenious move to extract money from you and considers what the next outrageous thing is he'll spend it on. Some of the stuff he spent the money on would make you giggle. It wasn't just all on drugs. One example while I was with him would be a pair of huge glam rock style silver boots. He was off his tits on happiness about how fucking cool they looked, and the fact no one at home would have a pair like them.
I hope at least some of you enjoyed that and perhaps found something interesting in there you can learn from or, even better, make use of to make the world a more fun and nicer place to be. Some of my remarks may seem aggressive, condescending or threatening. They're not really meant that way, I just need to word them that way to suggest the fact I may know what I'm talking about. The only person I am disappointed with, and concerned about, should be fairly obvious. Whether he deserved the full response I gave him or not is debatable. But I can no longer accept anything that comes even close to suggesting a threat. My response to him has absolutely nothing to do with him disagreeing with me and everything to do with some of the choices he made in wording that reply. The specific wording is reminiscent of the ways the people I met, who've gone on to threaten my family and I, would hide a message within a message. Regrettably, I can never be sure if that message is actually there, only the possibility that it is. Neither am I threatening him. I have no interest in wasting my life following people around and living the in fear it entails. Been there, done it, sick to death of it. I am simply stating what will happen if anything suspicious is to follow. And I seriously doubt it is. I expect he's probably just a random guy and wires have gotten crossed. But as should now be clear to you, the people involved with the bigger problems are supremely adept at suggesting things without actually saying them. And with the threats made to my family and I being so severe, I have to respond to the possibility of them being made again with equal or greater severity. This whole situation went from promising to entirely fucked beyond recognition in a very short space of time. How does the spoiler button work? Hippies are not all that they seem Ah, like that...
Edited by johnuk (05/05/10 06:25 AM)
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johnuk Strangerlove Registered: 06/13/05 Posts: 226 Last seen: 16 years, 3 months |
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Oh how wrong you are! And it's only made worse by the fact that you're suggesting I'm being naive when the reality is the polar opposite. And funnier still when you suggest blocking the topic and myself entirely from the forum because you're so sure of your opinions, which you've gotten backwards to the reality. Read my replies where I mention the quantities of products being sold and that I know for a fact that they've ended up in the hands of equally self assured experts on the topic who post on this forum. I have seen photos of the products on here and posts explaining where they came from. What's been said and done has now been said and done for a good while. It's better the way it is now than it would be if it all started up again. With the ultimate result being my family, myself or some of them scared, injured, in jail or dead. Is that the kind of thing that floats your boat? At least you didn't suggest I should 'be a man' and get busy with the killing. Provided it's stopped, I'm willing to write it off as just something that went wrong that should be left in the past in terms of anymore violence. I'm only concerned that it'll start again. As to me leaving 'anonymous messages', I suppose you'd like the names of everyone involved and my address? Despite me going into great detail as to why I can't give these out and giving genuinely heart felt, fact based reasons for this. You're equally trapped in the dream world they've created, which has nothing to do with the effects of their products. They've manipulated you so well you're now preaching what they want to come out of your mouth, making you effectively their glove puppet. You massively underestimate the abilities of these people. That's not your fault, they're incredibly good at doing what they do. But now I've put a huge amount of effort into explaining their way of playing, you don't have much of an excuse to continue letting it happen. If there is one person in this thread who would want it deleted, other than myself, it's Sporeworks. He didn't say anything to do with it, despite having very good reasons for why he might want it to be so. Instead, he's made some good points and contributed. And he deserves your money for his work. A lot of the things we sold could be made to yield if the people using them were intelligent enough to work in a clean manner, but then intelligent people wouldn't be buying presterilized media and syringes in the first place. No, all of our products weren't complete failures, and a lot of people will have gotten very high on the results. The point I'm getting at that it wasn't enough for the price they paid both in terms of the money they laid out and the hopes they had. As someone has already suggested, it's not a 0/7 failure, it's a 4/7 failure rate, or something similar. Good enough to use, not good enough to make you very happy with the effort it took. I was unhappy with the prices given the quality and the consistency of the results. Not that I thought everyone would fail to the point of getting nothing back. Add to that the way they could manipulate you into wasting your time when you didn't need to or easily excuse their own faults as yours, and then make it impossible for you to ever get anything back if they so chose to do so. If the topic is going to be blocked, or my account suspended, I would like to first have a chat with any moderators thinking of doing so such that I can answer any questions they have. I think you owe me that after the effort I've put into this. I wasn't expecting a thank you, but something a little more positive would have been nice given I've spent probably a solid days worth of effort trying to tell you as much as I know and can on the subject. Edited by johnuk (05/05/10 05:35 AM)
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plurfekt Finally Grateful Registered: 12/14/09 Posts: 1,919 Loc: USA |
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I just don't believe you.
If your telling the truth, I appreciate it. And I truly appreciate someone who is trying to change their life, and make amends. I'm right there with ya, and I know how hard it is to even get people to listen, especially the ones you've wronged. Again, it comes back to this not being a verifiable source. With a title like "THE INSIDER REPORT", I'd expect to get a look at the inside of something. I didn't learn anything here today, just another affirmation of my already solid suspicions and assumptions. And, being a typing-fanatic myself, I can appreciate how frustrating it is to write pages of my thoughts and feelings, only to delete them and try to write a better copy so that the readers can understand where I am coming from, in a readable format. Post something WE CAN USE. Is that a good description of what we want to hear? Anyhow, thanks for warning us about no one in particular. I'll make sure to keep my eyes open. I don't mean to be an asshole man.. but seriously.. give us something we can use, or don't waste your time.
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johnuk Strangerlove Registered: 06/13/05 Posts: 226 Last seen: 16 years, 3 months |
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Your loss. I've been waiting for this reply. Even teknix didn't go as far as simply I was lying. He was just questioning why I bothered posting it given the risks. Which worried me, a lot. But he's still posing a valid question. I have some questions that may help alleviate your disbelief with regards to me. Why on gods earth would I spend 12 hours or more typing if I was lying? Why wouldn't I pick out various vendors I just didn't like and name them? The only answer is that I'm trying to become a shroomery hero by telling you this kind of thing. Then have a look at how often I've been posting on here and bare in mind the very first sentence of this entire topic, which states that I don't visit here very often anymore. So what's the point of me wanting you all kissing my ass? Are you sure you don't mean that you don't want to believe me?
Which led you to make your other post, in which your demonstrate that these suspicions and assumptions are incorrect.
Har har har, you made a joke! I can tell your getting upset as the dawning realization that you may actually be incorrect sinks in. It's a nasty thing to swallow, but you'll be a lot better off if you do. I've already explained how you can stay away from 'no one in particular'. Sounding like a broken record as I now am, I've already explain how to make use of what I'm telling you, without me having to give out names. My initial drive for making the original post wasn't so much to tell you where you shouldn't shop, merely to make you aware of the other side of tryptamines virtually no tripper wants to admit to the possible of existence of. And I'll again reference you to why you might want to question yourself when you suspect I'm simply lying.
Even if you entirely disregard everything I've said about the trading and world that it involves, I believe I've already given you more than enough to use in my replies regarding cultivation. You can easily use a lot of the other information for useful purposes. I'll give you a hint, who did I say deserves your money? Edited by johnuk (05/05/10 05:56 AM)
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plurfekt Finally Grateful Registered: 12/14/09 Posts: 1,919 Loc: USA |
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I'm not buying what your selling.
At this point I'll even go as far as saying I believe you, for the purpose of maintaining some sanity in this thread. But with that being said, I still don't feel you have given any direct information that I could find helpful in the future, except promoting Shroomery Sponsors as reliable vendors and businesses.. which is something I already do on a daily bases. How about going to the police? Let me guess. Lack of evidence? If your feeling daring, PM me. I promise I will not post anything you say, convince me and I will retract all of my statements. I will even give you my email, so that you can contact me anonymously, again. Which kinda defies the point. But, it will have to wait until I wake up, I am exhausted. If I was in your situation I would find a way to expose them. Tell me their names, I'll create a shit storm of publicity and legal problems for them. Or maybe I'll just kill them, I have spare time. EDIT_ The last part was a joke I'm not really a serial killer. Really. But at least we can agree on one thing.. They deserve to die. I'm for the cause.. and my own narcissism/god complex prevents me from accepting things, and people.. as they are. This also means I'm quick to pass judgment, but I am seriously trying hard to change. Help me find a way to help you. We've misunderstood each other, no doubt because of the blunt, and rashness behind my responses. But what do you want to happen here? I guess that's what I really want to know. Edited by plurfekt (05/05/10 06:03 AM)
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fungus_tao Hah Zah!  Registered: 05/10/06 Posts: 1,856 Loc:
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Not really. He doesn't say the company he worked for out of fear...which is understandable if he was threatened, but with everything he had to say leaving out that crucial piece of information just keeps everyone guessing and leads people to think that all the vendors carry out their operations this way. This even prompted someone from sporeworks to say basically "hey, we're not like that at all." So, the OP is kind of misleading in making it sound like the company he worked for reflects the entire scene. Am I surprised that there is a bad apple in an industry that is supplying global illegal grow operations, NO! If you couldn't tell these people were fucked from the get go that's your bad. All that being said, I sympathize with your current situation and wish you the best. I hope they never lay a finger on you for making this post, but IMO this has done neither yourself nor the community any good - especially when you refuse to out the company. -------------------- Follow the light The Light is your guide.
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zigzag Eating Wolf Pussy  Registered: 12/19/07 Posts: 1,150 Loc: The Mortuary
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thanks for your post, i believe you
you're right about these guys creating a dream world of manipulation i'd like to see other vendors respond to this as well thank you sporeworks for responding. you have gained a customer. i have a feeling at least one other vendor here operates as the op is suggesting. probably the best thing to do is learn to work with agar and trade members for wild prints -------------------- Edited by zigzag (05/05/10 07:32 AM)
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johnuk Strangerlove Registered: 06/13/05 Posts: 226 Last seen: 16 years, 3 months |
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I'm not selling anything, so no need to buy it. I'm giving away some information for free. Unlike the people in question, who sold things that had a high possibility of failure.
As I've said, my initial intention wasn't to drop shit all over the people involved. It was just to tell some other trippers about what other trippers do when they're not looking. What you find useful and don't depends totally on what you want to take away from it, as opposed to my lack of detail on certain things. There are already a number of guys who've replied who have taken something useful away from it. I'm not talking about them kissing my ass and then me assuming I've been some hit. I'm talking about the guys who've realized that they can do so much better at home and that you don't need the vendors, there are thousands of guys on here, and a lot of them are good at what they're doing. Make some friends and do it yourselves, you're smart enough to. Lesson learned. Is what I'm getting at.
Right, this is getting stupid, despite all the suggestions and me telling you the products have been in the hands of shroomery users, so I'll just cut to the chase and be as blunt as I can, which could inevitably land me in some very serious trouble. So it's essential that you appreciate what I'm doing for you in trying to prove my point. The people in question sponsored this forum. Surely that must be enough to convince you now of the point I'm trying to make regarding who's being naive in this discussion. And my discussion of them beyond that will go absolutely no further. Don't ask.
With me continually telling you you're incorrect, you'll be glad to hear this! 100% correct. They know how to play that game. Neither are the police capable of stopping people who are dedicated enough from hurting you if they wish to do so. The best they'll manage is to find out who did it, after you're hurt. Then they have to catch them. Then they have to punish them. All difficult, separate elements only made harder when it involves international boundaries. I will also tell you one of the owners was already in possession of a federal criminal record. There was not only a lack of evidence, due to them using spontaneous phone calls to make the threats, there was a nice trail of evidence back to myself. For example, bank account transfers and were my passport had been registered as passing through customs recently. Had I done anything, the authorities would have immediately checked those two things and it'd be next to impossible to deny any involvement. He made a remark to me at one stage, "It's all being about leverage".
You really can't appreciate how many times I've had people tell me that and then fuck me over. I just can't do it. I can't even trust myself anymore. Something I've come to live by is the idea that if I can't keep my own mouth shut, why I should expect someone to whom there is no risk presented to do the same? There is only one person I'm willing to discuss the names with and, only then, under certain conditions. They will likely suspect who they are.
If I was going to tell you, I'd want your home address first, and proof of you living there. That's how this game works.
You are? Shit man, I've been up literally all through the night and into the afternoon working on this now. My whole body is sore. My hands hurt from typing, my back hurts from sitting here. I've gone through 40 cigarettes worrying about what I'm doing and that some of the replies could be from them; my lungs hurt. My jaw hurts from clenching my teeth and I've been shivering for most of the time wondering if this is going to be the start of it all again, or something worse. I need a beer or joint, but lack both.
Too easy. In the sense that it's too easy for them to work out who's told you what. For a while afterwards I did consider bombing out their websites to jam them and prevent any orders getting through. Loving the money as much as they do, and needing it so badly at that particular time, that'd upset them. Again, far too easy for them to work out where it's coming from.
The irony is that in harming them I'd only open myself to the possibility of ending up in jail, wasting yet more of the time they've taken from me. There are basically only two extremes of the situation left. Both sides agree to forget it. Or, it swings entirely to the other polarity.
One of them in particular deserves a damn good kick in the nuts for how he's treated myself and girl who took him to court. Something that brings some light into all of this is the image in my mind of everyone who bought their stuff and failed due to the company's faults, walking past in a what I expect would be a long line, with each one laying down their best punt to the nuts. And I either want the first or last one. It won't ever happen however, even if I give you their names. I have to give this guy some credit. He's since left the whole messed up topic alone and is trying to get on with something more constructive. Which is a big part of why I decided now would be a slightly safer point in time to post this. As I doubt he's interested in getting involved again either. Unlucky for the company, as (amazingly) he was also the only one there with any idea about what he was doing. His reasons for leaving this topic alone are also not likely to be motivated by a self inspired change of heart. I believe he was found innocent of statutory rape, or at least partially excused under some plea of diminished responsibility. I would bet money on the fact that he used drugs as his plea. He may have even mentioned the mushroom companies and used them as an excuse, which would explain why he "doesn't want to be involved anymore", when he may really mean, can't be involved anymore. If he used these suggestions, you can thank him for another statistic showing mushrooms lead to the rape of minors. Why I do suspect this? Because the last time I saw him he had to attend rehab. I am also fairly sure myself that he did indeed know he was having sex with a minor. At one point, we were both wide eyed from some uber pure MDMA. It was then that I started to fish out of him his previously unexplainable reasons for wanting to rapidly leave the country. Some time in the very early hours of the morning, he mentioned what he was going to court for and made the slip that something like MDMA (the universal truth serum that it be) will induce, which was to say; "She was 15, er 16." He knew. What made it stranger still was that whilst I was around him, we went into a bar where the girls act kind of slutty. One of them looked young, kind of around 16. A bunch of guys on the other table were in the process of chatting her up. My ex-friend then made a comment about how sleazy and disgusting it was. He had already had sex with the 15, er 16 year old by this point, who enjoyed the experience so much (it seems) she decided to take him to court. Judging by his manipulative nature towards the staff and everyone else, I can take a guess why she might have decided to do that. So why might he have said what he did when he saw someone else doing it to a girl who must have been old enough given where she was working? Reason number one, as some attempt to hide what he'd done himself, having not yet told me about it. Number two, and doing him a big favor here, he was genuinely disgusted by that kind of thing. At least when he saw other people getting what he's had and then lost.
I think it's more of question about what you want out of it and knowing that it won't happen. My intention never was, and never will be, to name the people. What I think you're after is advice on who not to buy from in particular. Sorry, it's just taking a step too far for me. The entire place will erupt into a shit storm regarding them, and then the clock is ticking. As I've said, my intention wasn't to cause problems for the people involved, since it'll make them think about coming after me again, which is just unacceptable now, I can't have that happening again. I'm doing a lot to improve around 15 years of my life slipping gradually down hill. I can't go into details about what else has happened, and I expect it'd bore the ass out of a lot of you or give you false impressions about me, but my interest in other topics of a questionable nature is as extensive as my experience with this one. And I want it to stop. I have no money left, all of my friends have left me for being involved with this and I've lost girlfriends as a result of concentrating on these other things too much. It's time for that to end, which is with these posts. Again, all I intend to do with these posts is to make you aware of the mentalities of some of the people you look up to as being responsible, trustworthy, peaceful people. Even if you're not interested in from buying from vendors in the first place, it should provide a hopefully interesting and amusing look into their lives. One last funny story before I take a break for a while. In our adventures, the owner wanted to create his own 'shitpost' bags. He didn't pasteurize them properly. And his further attempts to make them failed just as badly due to excessive contamination before the pasteurization. On leaving one of these experiments out in the sun. We returned the next day to find the entire place looking like the apocalypse was on it's way. There was a hive of flies swarming the place. True to form, he blamed it on the staff and told them to clean up. Edited by johnuk (05/05/10 07:44 AM)
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Mycjunky Stranger  Registered: 07/25/09 Posts: 1,837 Last seen: 6 years, 2 months |
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To be honest this comes as no surprise to me. I've ordered from some sites, including sponsors, and I've always ordered 5+ syringes. One of the sponsors I ordered 7 syringes from and literally every one looked like exactly the same strain. I know a cube is a cube but when I ordered from sporeworks there was actual noticeable variation in the color of the mycelium, colonization times, and how the fruits looked and how potent they were.
I don't mind spore vendors making a lot of money, they are taking a risk, and if anyone else wanted to do it they could lower the price easily but no one does because no one wants to put there ass on the line if there not actually gonna make a decent profit. Edited by Mycjunky (05/05/10 07:27 AM)
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