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Cloneufc's No foil jar tek!
    #11568277 - 12/02/09 06:57 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You'll need to buy some extra lids. You can get about 12 lids for $1.99 at Walmart. My Pc holds 14 pint jars. I will need double this, so I will buy three 12 packs of lids. Dont drill any holes in these new lids, leave them be.

First you make your holes in the lid like normal. Then cover it with at least 2 layers of micropore tape. Then fill your jars with your preferred substrate. Place the lids rubber side down on the jar, with micropore tape on the top side. Put the band on and screw it down tight. Now unscrew the band and take it off, while leaving the lid on. Put a new lid on without any holes drilled in it rubber side down. You will now have two lids on each jar. Screw the band on and your done.

This takes two seconds and eliminates the need for foil and rubber bands. Water wont beable to get in and ruin your substrate. Saves time and money.





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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Cloneufc]
    #11568312 - 12/02/09 07:07 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You don't have trouble with the two lids sticking together when you try and take the top one off?


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: dgls_jms]
    #11568317 - 12/02/09 07:09 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

No, not at all. Ive pc'ed my lids bottom down for years and they dont stick. They will stick if you let your PC run out of water.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Cloneufc]
    #11568319 - 12/02/09 07:10 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Fooking brilliant!

You have to use a new bottom lid each time?
Once the seal seals onto the glass, can it be reused?

And what about the top lid, does it have to be new?
Could you use one that had been drilled and turn it 45 degrees so the holes don't line up?


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Doc_T]
    #11568409 - 12/02/09 07:44 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

No, you can reuse the top and bottom lid over and over again. I wouldnt use any top lids with holes. The rubber does wear out with time but they can be used alot before they wear out.

They dont have to be new but most people dont have any lids without holes drilled in them.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Cloneufc]
    #11568416 - 12/02/09 07:47 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Do you have trouble when you remove the ring and try to pull the top lid off?
I can see pulling both off and spoiling a jar.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Doc_T]
    #11568449 - 12/02/09 07:57 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

No. Its works out great. The first lid comes right off, the second lid is alot harder to get off than the first. Its hard to pull off the second lid exposing it to open air. To get the second lid off I just use the band and lip of the narrowest glass threads to pop it off, when Im ready to spawn the mycelium of course.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Cloneufc]
    #11568547 - 12/02/09 08:33 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Dig, this is a cool Idea. I got something to add. If you like your jars to have the lids rubber up, instead of using a second metal lid just put a full undrilled plastic lid over your drilled metal lid and put the second part of the metal lid down after. (take off the plastic one with threads and put the metal threaded lid on) If you do the first way don't use 2 drilled lids and turn on on a 45 degree cuz the water can get thru the holes of the first one and then scoot its way in between the lids and then go down the holes in the second lid. Water is very persistent like that lol.

Great IDEA. Will save you money on tinfoil in the long run.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Drevrens]
    #11568571 - 12/02/09 08:39 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

just tried my version. Better put rubber side down as it you don't want your metal lid coming off when you take the plastic lid off and the rubber side down gives it alittle more stability.

GREAT TEK. Got my brain working in the AM.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Drevrens]
    #11568584 - 12/02/09 08:42 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Drevrens said: Will save you money on tinfoil in the long run.




You buy foil? I get foil for free on burritos. :lol:


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Drevrens]
    #11568601 - 12/02/09 08:45 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

This doesnt work if its rubber side up. You want it to seal out water and unsterile air. You dont want any holes on the covering lid.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Doc_T]
    #11568602 - 12/02/09 08:45 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Fooking brilliant!

You have to use a new bottom lid each time?
Once the seal seals onto the glass, can it be reused?

And what about the top lid, does it have to be new?
Could you use one that had been drilled and turn it 45 degrees so the holes don't line up?




I have always done my lids rubber to glass and never had a problem reusing them. Re-seals everytime.

As far as the double lid goes, my injection ports prevent me from doing this.

It's nifty, but i don't know if it is necessary. I pull my jars out of the PC all the time so I can load up a new run. The only thing stopping the vacuum is a layer of tyvek over a 1/4" hole.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: dancefloordale]
    #11568624 - 12/02/09 08:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Tyvek and micropore tape wont stop contams from getting sucked in if you take your jars out while hot. You have to wait for them to completely cool or use this tek. Ive tested 20 jars with 4 layers of micropore tape. I let the jars sit a week and a few of them started to contam. The jars that were left to cool for hours did not grow anything after weeks of sitting. Tyvek and micropore filtrate to 97%. With a vacuum Im sure they filter much less than that.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Cloneufc]
    #11568924 - 12/02/09 10:02 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Whatever works for ya. I haven't had any problems.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Doc_T]
    #11568962 - 12/02/09 10:10 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Doc_T said:
Do you have trouble when you remove the ring and try to pull the top lid off?
I can see pulling both off and spoiling a jar.




you could always micropore the bottom lid to the jar for extra protection maybe:shrug:


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: nastos]
    #11572116 - 12/02/09 07:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

If your just trying to avoid using foil and your not gonna remove your jars early from the pc, just put the second lid on real loose. If your gonna remove the jars from the pc early, tighten the band. Youll need a small thin flat piece of metal to pry the lid loose. For extra caution you could pry it off in a glovebox or in front of a flow hood, while releasing the vacuum. I have a flow hood and they make things a cake walk. I still have yet to accidently pry off the main lid, its hard to do. The proper way to do things is to get a bigger pc. This tek works great and is fool proof if you just dont want to use foil.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Cloneufc]
    #11572282 - 12/02/09 07:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I don't use rubberbands on my foil, just crimp it down with my hands.  Also, I save my foil after PCing, so i wont save any money.  I always let my PC cool naturally though, so I guess its not for me.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Cloneufc]
    #11572306 - 12/02/09 07:51 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I'm actually trying it now, just loaded up the PC.

My injection ports are meaty, for heavy use, and I can't put the lids on like you suggest. I am trying the first lid rubber side down, second lid rubber side up, so there is a metal to metal seal between the lids. This way there is a little space between the lids to accommodate for the port.


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: Cloneufc]
    #11572316 - 12/02/09 07:52 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well I use polyfil and I take them out of the PC after it depressurizes on its own after a half hour... Will polyfil stop the vacuum effect? (Geez you guys got me worried now)

PS Great Tek, I'm definitley gonna have to give it a shot with a few jars to see how it performs. Would definitley help save the environment and I'm sure w/o tinfoil my PC might not produce that weird smell...


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Re: Cloneufc's Free your pc! No foil jar tek! [Re: beatnicknick]
    #11572336 - 12/02/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Well I use polyfil and I take them out of the PC after it depressurizes on its own... Will polyfil stop the vacuum effect? (Geez you guys got me worried now)




Are you getting contams? Like I said I have never had a problem due to the vacuum created by removing jars hot.

This is handy though for not having to deal with placing foil on the jars.


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