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Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not?
    #993824 - 10/26/02 12:41 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Hello everyone. Certain sites sell psilocybe cubensis grow kits which are basically casings with pre colonized substrate growing on them. There ready to go and all they basically need is a good misting and to be kept at optimimal growing temperature. These companies claim that these kits are perfectly legal in the US as long as you dont harvest any type of mushroom that grows from the mycellium. What is the truth about these kits, and if you decide to order one, what should you look out for or be wary of besides the obvious?


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #993841 - 10/26/02 12:53 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Not in the USA.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #993848 - 10/26/02 12:58 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well.. legally speaking, _spores_ are legal in (most of) the US, but I dunno about mycelium.  It does have minute amounts of a scheduled substance in it.  Not to mention, if it says "grow kit" and "psychadelic mushroom" (or anything to that extent) you're just asking for trouble.  I mean, if a cop happens to see the package, what're you gonna say?  "No officer, I wasn't planning on actually growing mushrooms.."

Another thing to look out for is contamination.  I have a hard enough time keeping everything clean in my own house, I don't think I'd trust someone else's packaging and shipping overseas.  And if it takes a week to get from there to here, man you might even have a ready-to-fruit or dead casing in a box.

BUT (and that's a big but  :wink:) if somehow it is legal, and they've figured out a way to make it work, kudos to them.  BTW, if you don't feel comfortable posting the info here, could you send me a PM with a link to one of these sites?  I'm curious now..  :tongue: :grin: 


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Anno]
    #993849 - 10/26/02 12:58 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Why are they illegal? And if they are why do these sites say otherwise?
Where can I find the information?


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #993866 - 10/26/02 01:08 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Why are what illegal? Mushrooms? Because the government is run by a bunch of suits who hear "drug" and think "illegal."

Mycelium contains trace amounts of the same chemicals that mushrooms do- the same chemicals that make you trip. Therefore, since they contain an illegal scheduled drug, the mycelium, early growth of an illegal substance, is illegal.

Furthermore I don't think you could find a single argument out of an "Intent to cultivate" charge..
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As for finding the information, I'd highly suggest www.EROWID.com, although it seems to be down at the moment.. click on "plants and drugs", then "mushrooms", then "legal".

I'd be interested to see these kits. I know Smartshop and Shaman sell dried and ready to eat shrooms, but they won't ship them to the US (among many other places.)


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #993869 - 10/26/02 01:09 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Why does it matter? Its cheaper to do it yourself, but hey if you want too, order one and find out. I think the worst that can happen is customs will just take it, and then you will be out 60 some odd dollars. Good luck, I think you should just grow them for yourself, but hey that's just my opinion, and we know how valuable opionions are.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Skikid16]
    #993886 - 10/26/02 01:14 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I was questioning the legality of mycellium not the shrooms themselves but thankyou. Also, I beleive that growing them yourself is a wonderful idea but growkits shouldnt be discounted for neither. Depending on where you get them you can harvest an ounce of dried for 60 bucks...I don't think 60 dollars for all the work and contam percentage going way down is too much to ask for.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #993893 - 10/26/02 01:18 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Right on. Do a search on growkits. Find the people that had them, PM them and find out where they got them. Besides, its not all that much work, if you spent sixty dollars, all you would need was time to get some experience and then you could bust out a dried pound if you really wanted to. Thats all I'm saying.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #993947 - 10/26/02 01:50 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not a lawyer but I play one on TV.

Actually, my reading of the law, although it varies state to state, is that mycellium are legal. Federal law refers to the illegality 'psilocybin containers,' i.e. fruits...they didn't know in late '60s or whenever that the colonized substrate contained the active substance as well. Basically, it's ok under most U.S. law to posess spores, to place them in a medium or substrate, and for mycelium to grow (even though you can eat it & get high), but the minute they pin they're a class whatever controlled substanced.

In some states, like Fla., it's ok to pick wild cubies 'unintentionally,' so posession is not usually prosecuted. In other states/countries, drying may show intent, in their minds, to distribute.

I believe that a U.S. company could, say, offer an innoculated Mycobag that simply requires watering by the purchaser. But as everyone here says, all-inclusive kits are a bit of a waste.

Good luck to all!

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: vildechayea]
    #994051 - 10/26/02 02:26 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well then, I stand corrected, I think.  :wink:

Anyway, if it isn't illegal I suppose it goes against my better judgement.  Even though TM's growlog is a bit covincing.. for the same $65 I'll just make 4 3-cake casings and end up with many times more.

Goodnight all, it's almost 2:30 in Gotham and I'm hella tired. 


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #994451 - 10/26/02 10:26 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

even if it isn't illegal, no one should be to inept or lazy to follow the pf tek and many other higher yield  teks for that matter.  i know because i am both lazy and inept. :grin: 


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #994653 - 10/26/02 01:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yea dont bother with grow kits its a waste of money and its not in the spirit of things...

tho im a bit jaded, i despise grow-kits cuz they strip all the fun out of the hobby... its so "american" if u will (funny tho its sold in the NL). americans are so damn lazy now, eating fast food, sitting around their computers all day doing nothing, when was the last time a lazy american actually built something for her/his own self? nah, they would rather just buy it pre-made... fuck learning a skill, or improving themself, nah, id rather just spend the extra money and be lazy..... the american attitude.... why go out of my way to do something when someone else will do it for me.....
well some day, the shits gonna hit the fan, and their not gonna have anyone to wipe their asses anymore, what they gonna do then? Shit its no wonder people are blowing us up, and our own citizens are goin crazy....

sorry, sometimes i really get fed up with people, espically americans, they need to get out and create something! it doesnt matter what u create, as long as you worked your hardest makeing it..
shit, all you folks at the shroomery are creating something wonderful.. these forums and pages are a testiment of what people can do...
thanks and sorry for the rant...
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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #994704 - 10/26/02 02:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

P.C. spores, themselves are illegal in CA & GA. Given the language of both Federal & other U.S. State laws. I would be under the opinion any kit containing a substrate colonizing with live P.C. myc is illegal enough that anyone found in possesion of the same, could be prosecuted, if a D.A. chose to push the issue.

I would suppose they could also throw some charge about utilizing U.S. mail in aiding & abedding the commision of a felony.

Whether one would be convicted, would depend on the skill of their attorney & amount of money one had to pour into fighting the prosecution.

Given the cost of these "kits". All in all, the better investment would appear to be purchasing a good PC. Then, going on from there.

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: SixTango]
    #994782 - 10/26/02 03:33 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

mycellium just like spores are legal in every state except GA and CA...Reason I know this is the vendor that i use most doesn't promote on here but r exceptional..they just started offering jars already innoculated, with mycellium growing 1/4 to 3/4...1/4 being the cheapest and 3/4 of course being more expensive...They will do this with any strain they have, and they have around 40 some strains available... They r in the process of moving facilites and will not be taking more jar orders until November 15..And they r located in Texas...Just wanted to let you guys know, mycellium is legal....And for any of you newbies or peeps that want to save some time give their website a look...itz www.earthstongue.com .... They have always been great too me!!

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: SixTango]
    #994788 - 10/26/02 03:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I think everyone that thinks Pre-made kits are a waste of time is absolutely wrong...They serve there purpose just like anything else. Some people don't have the time for the PF tek ( a good 3-4 weeks more) And other people don't really care about LEARNING how to grow mushrooms, they just want to trip and thats that. Why does everyone make 65 dollars seem like a million here??? Ounces of shrooms in most parts of the US go for at least 200 dollars and even closer to 300. If you ask me 65 dollars is a fucking bargain for all the work practically being done for you. Look at tripmeisters grow log on a kit from NL and maybe youll change your mind a little. Your only paying 20 bucks more but all the work is taken care of and the time is cut in half, not everyone has the timeor patience to be a proffessional mycologist and some of us could care less, we just want them damn shrooms! Sorry for disagreeing, just my opinion.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #994850 - 10/26/02 04:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

if you just want to trip/dont have the patience or willpower to learn something new then i really dont think you deserve to eat mushrooms....
whats 3-4 weeks in the grand scheme of things? why are people so damn lazy
you just summed up everything i hate about americans in one simple paragraph.. thank you....

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #994857 - 10/26/02 04:16 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"americans are so damn lazy now, eating fast food, sitting around their computers all day doing nothing, when was the last time a lazy american actually built something for her/his own self?"
"sorry, sometimes i really get fed up with people, espically americans, they need to get out and create something!"

Turn your computer off, we invented it. As a matter of fact disconnect your electricity, we invented that too! Don't drive a car, an American invented it. Watch what you eat, last time I checked we create about 85% of the worlds food. And the next time your piss ant country gets in trouble, don't call us to bail you out eh?

You are probably European, but if not, it doesn't matter. Fact is most people who hate Americans have never even been here. The truth is that most who feel like you are just jealous that they aren't American (or Canadian for that matter).

There, I created something, it's called a repsonse, asshole.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: djneutron]
    #994866 - 10/26/02 04:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"mycellium just like spores are legal in every state except GA and CA...Reason I know this is.."  

You are wrong. So are they. Just wait. Some parent will find their 14 Y/O kids growing one of those kits & shit will happen. Just watch.

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #994892 - 10/26/02 04:41 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes people dont have the time. Sometimes people have a living arrangement where two weeks are OK but anything more than that could pose a problem, as in...The jars or casings or cakes or terrarium being found. This has nothing to do with being American, just simply that some people are confined to using something already pre done for them. Im actually European, just thought you should know.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: SixTango]
    #995020 - 10/26/02 06:09 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Your right about that 6T, but they make u go through an adult verification process so they can atleast somewhat cover their ass's.. But when it comes to the law, atleast if your an adult, mycellium is no different than spores....


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