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Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not?
    #993824 - 10/26/02 12:41 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hello everyone. Certain sites sell psilocybe cubensis grow kits which are basically casings with pre colonized substrate growing on them. There ready to go and all they basically need is a good misting and to be kept at optimimal growing temperature. These companies claim that these kits are perfectly legal in the US as long as you dont harvest any type of mushroom that grows from the mycellium. What is the truth about these kits, and if you decide to order one, what should you look out for or be wary of besides the obvious?


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #993841 - 10/26/02 12:53 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Not in the USA.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #993848 - 10/26/02 12:58 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well.. legally speaking, _spores_ are legal in (most of) the US, but I dunno about mycelium.  It does have minute amounts of a scheduled substance in it.  Not to mention, if it says "grow kit" and "psychadelic mushroom" (or anything to that extent) you're just asking for trouble.  I mean, if a cop happens to see the package, what're you gonna say?  "No officer, I wasn't planning on actually growing mushrooms.."

Another thing to look out for is contamination.  I have a hard enough time keeping everything clean in my own house, I don't think I'd trust someone else's packaging and shipping overseas.  And if it takes a week to get from there to here, man you might even have a ready-to-fruit or dead casing in a box.

BUT (and that's a big but  :wink:) if somehow it is legal, and they've figured out a way to make it work, kudos to them.  BTW, if you don't feel comfortable posting the info here, could you send me a PM with a link to one of these sites?  I'm curious now..  :tongue: :grin: 


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Anno]
    #993849 - 10/26/02 12:58 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Why are they illegal? And if they are why do these sites say otherwise?
Where can I find the information?


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #993866 - 10/26/02 01:08 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Why are what illegal? Mushrooms? Because the government is run by a bunch of suits who hear "drug" and think "illegal."

Mycelium contains trace amounts of the same chemicals that mushrooms do- the same chemicals that make you trip. Therefore, since they contain an illegal scheduled drug, the mycelium, early growth of an illegal substance, is illegal.

Furthermore I don't think you could find a single argument out of an "Intent to cultivate" charge..
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As for finding the information, I'd highly suggest www.EROWID.com, although it seems to be down at the moment.. click on "plants and drugs", then "mushrooms", then "legal".

I'd be interested to see these kits. I know Smartshop and Shaman sell dried and ready to eat shrooms, but they won't ship them to the US (among many other places.)


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #993869 - 10/26/02 01:09 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Why does it matter? Its cheaper to do it yourself, but hey if you want too, order one and find out. I think the worst that can happen is customs will just take it, and then you will be out 60 some odd dollars. Good luck, I think you should just grow them for yourself, but hey that's just my opinion, and we know how valuable opionions are.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Skikid16]
    #993886 - 10/26/02 01:14 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I was questioning the legality of mycellium not the shrooms themselves but thankyou. Also, I beleive that growing them yourself is a wonderful idea but growkits shouldnt be discounted for neither. Depending on where you get them you can harvest an ounce of dried for 60 bucks...I don't think 60 dollars for all the work and contam percentage going way down is too much to ask for.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #993893 - 10/26/02 01:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Right on. Do a search on growkits. Find the people that had them, PM them and find out where they got them. Besides, its not all that much work, if you spent sixty dollars, all you would need was time to get some experience and then you could bust out a dried pound if you really wanted to. Thats all I'm saying.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #993947 - 10/26/02 01:50 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not a lawyer but I play one on TV.

Actually, my reading of the law, although it varies state to state, is that mycellium are legal. Federal law refers to the illegality 'psilocybin containers,' i.e. fruits...they didn't know in late '60s or whenever that the colonized substrate contained the active substance as well. Basically, it's ok under most U.S. law to posess spores, to place them in a medium or substrate, and for mycelium to grow (even though you can eat it & get high), but the minute they pin they're a class whatever controlled substanced.

In some states, like Fla., it's ok to pick wild cubies 'unintentionally,' so posession is not usually prosecuted. In other states/countries, drying may show intent, in their minds, to distribute.

I believe that a U.S. company could, say, offer an innoculated Mycobag that simply requires watering by the purchaser. But as everyone here says, all-inclusive kits are a bit of a waste.

Good luck to all!

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: vildechayea]
    #994051 - 10/26/02 02:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well then, I stand corrected, I think.  :wink:

Anyway, if it isn't illegal I suppose it goes against my better judgement.  Even though TM's growlog is a bit covincing.. for the same $65 I'll just make 4 3-cake casings and end up with many times more.

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #994451 - 10/26/02 10:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

even if it isn't illegal, no one should be to inept or lazy to follow the pf tek and many other higher yield  teks for that matter.  i know because i am both lazy and inept. :grin: 


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #994653 - 10/26/02 01:49 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yea dont bother with grow kits its a waste of money and its not in the spirit of things...

tho im a bit jaded, i despise grow-kits cuz they strip all the fun out of the hobby... its so "american" if u will (funny tho its sold in the NL). americans are so damn lazy now, eating fast food, sitting around their computers all day doing nothing, when was the last time a lazy american actually built something for her/his own self? nah, they would rather just buy it pre-made... fuck learning a skill, or improving themself, nah, id rather just spend the extra money and be lazy..... the american attitude.... why go out of my way to do something when someone else will do it for me.....
well some day, the shits gonna hit the fan, and their not gonna have anyone to wipe their asses anymore, what they gonna do then? Shit its no wonder people are blowing us up, and our own citizens are goin crazy....

sorry, sometimes i really get fed up with people, espically americans, they need to get out and create something! it doesnt matter what u create, as long as you worked your hardest makeing it..
shit, all you folks at the shroomery are creating something wonderful.. these forums and pages are a testiment of what people can do...
thanks and sorry for the rant...
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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #994704 - 10/26/02 02:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

P.C. spores, themselves are illegal in CA & GA. Given the language of both Federal & other U.S. State laws. I would be under the opinion any kit containing a substrate colonizing with live P.C. myc is illegal enough that anyone found in possesion of the same, could be prosecuted, if a D.A. chose to push the issue.

I would suppose they could also throw some charge about utilizing U.S. mail in aiding & abedding the commision of a felony.

Whether one would be convicted, would depend on the skill of their attorney & amount of money one had to pour into fighting the prosecution.

Given the cost of these "kits". All in all, the better investment would appear to be purchasing a good PC. Then, going on from there.

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: SixTango]
    #994782 - 10/26/02 03:33 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

mycellium just like spores are legal in every state except GA and CA...Reason I know this is the vendor that i use most doesn't promote on here but r exceptional..they just started offering jars already innoculated, with mycellium growing 1/4 to 3/4...1/4 being the cheapest and 3/4 of course being more expensive...They will do this with any strain they have, and they have around 40 some strains available... They r in the process of moving facilites and will not be taking more jar orders until November 15..And they r located in Texas...Just wanted to let you guys know, mycellium is legal....And for any of you newbies or peeps that want to save some time give their website a look...itz www.earthstongue.com .... They have always been great too me!!

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: SixTango]
    #994788 - 10/26/02 03:39 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think everyone that thinks Pre-made kits are a waste of time is absolutely wrong...They serve there purpose just like anything else. Some people don't have the time for the PF tek ( a good 3-4 weeks more) And other people don't really care about LEARNING how to grow mushrooms, they just want to trip and thats that. Why does everyone make 65 dollars seem like a million here??? Ounces of shrooms in most parts of the US go for at least 200 dollars and even closer to 300. If you ask me 65 dollars is a fucking bargain for all the work practically being done for you. Look at tripmeisters grow log on a kit from NL and maybe youll change your mind a little. Your only paying 20 bucks more but all the work is taken care of and the time is cut in half, not everyone has the timeor patience to be a proffessional mycologist and some of us could care less, we just want them damn shrooms! Sorry for disagreeing, just my opinion.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #994850 - 10/26/02 04:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

if you just want to trip/dont have the patience or willpower to learn something new then i really dont think you deserve to eat mushrooms....
whats 3-4 weeks in the grand scheme of things? why are people so damn lazy
you just summed up everything i hate about americans in one simple paragraph.. thank you....

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #994857 - 10/26/02 04:16 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"americans are so damn lazy now, eating fast food, sitting around their computers all day doing nothing, when was the last time a lazy american actually built something for her/his own self?"
"sorry, sometimes i really get fed up with people, espically americans, they need to get out and create something!"

Turn your computer off, we invented it. As a matter of fact disconnect your electricity, we invented that too! Don't drive a car, an American invented it. Watch what you eat, last time I checked we create about 85% of the worlds food. And the next time your piss ant country gets in trouble, don't call us to bail you out eh?

You are probably European, but if not, it doesn't matter. Fact is most people who hate Americans have never even been here. The truth is that most who feel like you are just jealous that they aren't American (or Canadian for that matter).

There, I created something, it's called a repsonse, asshole.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: djneutron]
    #994866 - 10/26/02 04:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"mycellium just like spores are legal in every state except GA and CA...Reason I know this is.."  

You are wrong. So are they. Just wait. Some parent will find their 14 Y/O kids growing one of those kits & shit will happen. Just watch.

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #994892 - 10/26/02 04:41 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Sometimes people dont have the time. Sometimes people have a living arrangement where two weeks are OK but anything more than that could pose a problem, as in...The jars or casings or cakes or terrarium being found. This has nothing to do with being American, just simply that some people are confined to using something already pre done for them. Im actually European, just thought you should know.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: SixTango]
    #995020 - 10/26/02 06:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Your right about that 6T, but they make u go through an adult verification process so they can atleast somewhat cover their ass's.. But when it comes to the law, atleast if your an adult, mycellium is no different than spores....


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: djneutron]
    #995046 - 10/26/02 06:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

This is from their website on the pre-innoculated page..

Psilocybe mycelium is completely legal, but only until it begins to form hyphal knots or pin-heads. At which time the mycelium begins producing a highly illegal drug (in the USA and some other countries) named psilocybin or psilocin. This occurs after about 1 week or more that the jars are 100% colonized and are exposed to light. All colonized jars that we ship out do not contain ANY of the active drug psilocybin or psilocin, therefore we can legally sell these and distribute them. However, we cannot stress enough how important it is to ONLY use these jars for scientific research purposes ONLY. Please DO NOT break any laws with our products, we DO NOT CONDONE ANY ILLEGAL ACTIONS. Consult your local laws.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: PurpleSpore]
    #995050 - 10/26/02 06:27 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

Turn your computer off, we invented it. As a matter of fact disconnect your electricity, we invented that too! Don't drive a car, an American invented it. Watch what you eat, last time I checked we create about 85% of the worlds food. And the next time your piss ant country gets in trouble, don't call us to bail you out eh?

You are probably European, but if not, it doesn't matter. Fact is most people who hate Americans have never even been here. The truth is that most who feel like you are just jealous that they aren't American (or Canadian for that matter).

There, I created something, it's called a repsonse, asshole.




once again, typical american attitude... always gotta resort to the "my country is tougher than your country" line....
who is this "we"? "WE" didnt invent the car "WE" didnt invent electricity... you or i had NOTHING to do with that at all.. neither did the country, that was done by independant people, not a whole country, and definatly not you...
as for the food and electricity production, sure we produce MASS AMOUNTS, so much that we have tons of surplus... but at what cost? why do we need to produce so much, if so much gets wasted? and think of all the land and countrys we are rapeing and pillageing for their reasources.... im not proud of that at all...




and for your information i AM AMERICAN

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #995115 - 10/26/02 07:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

My independant panda grows cyans =) Go him!

>>>You are wrong. So are they. Just wait. Some parent will find their 14 Y/O kids growing one of those kits & shit will happen. Just watch.<<<

I agree.

Kits suck, my friend got one. Spent $175. And when it didnt work he got disscouraged. I took the spores he got and took a look @ em. It was just rust in sayline. IE - Kits suck balls. Go ahead toss your $$$ away, B incompitent and dont listen to the ppl who know.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #995154 - 10/26/02 07:29 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Kits only suck depending on who the company is. Your friend should have done a bit more researching on the company before spending an ungodly 175 on a bogus it.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #995213 - 10/26/02 07:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Dude, everyone here is gonna say kits suck, cuz we all grow mushrooms for ourselves, we take JOY and PRIDE in the fact that we go out of our ways to give our mushrooms the very best we can....
its a wonderful hobby...

its not for the drugs, its for the love of bringing life to these amazing creatures....
cultivateing life is a wonderful gift....
take the extra time, spend the extra money, and get yourself a decent setup, learn what the mushroom wants and needs, develop a bond...
then see how amazing your expirences with the mushroom can be.....

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: djneutron]
    #995317 - 10/26/02 08:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Again, IMHO ~~ You are wrong. P.C.

Psilocybin mushrooms themselves are not specifically named in the U.S. federal scheduling system, however their two primary active chemicals Psilocybin and Psilocin are both DEA schedule 1.

Because these two substances are specifically named as illegal to possess, fresh or dried psilocybin mushrooms are also illegal to possess. Because spores contain no psilocybin or psilocin, they are legal to sell and possess in all states except California & Georgia. But in most states, it is illegal to cultivate or propogate spores into mycelium since mycelium generally contains both psilocybin and psilocin.

Thus, it would enable a D.A to prosecute under the purvue of both federal and/or state laws, if he were so inclined.

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #995766 - 10/27/02 12:35 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

if you just want to trip/dont have the patience or willpower to learn something new then i really dont think you deserve to eat mushrooms....




Did you build your house? Your car? Your computer? Did you make your clothing? Probably not, so you don't deserve to live in it, drive it, use it, or fucking wear it.

I personaly enjoy cultivating and recommend it to everyone, but if they'd rather "be lazy" and buy a kit, right on it's their life. Chill out man.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Sick_Of_It_All]
    #995836 - 10/27/02 01:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I built MY HOUSE & payed for it. I also payed for everything else that I own.

You telling peaple, they don't deserve to own & enjoy what their hard earned dollars bought.

Each & every person has the right to do, as they wish -- with their $$$$ & time.

Kits ................ fine.

Growing your own........from scratch...... fine.

Who needs to "chill out"?

The whole world.

Smile, share, be kind & generious. It will make Earth a better place.

After all, Earth is our home. That is the one thing in common, we all have.

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Sick_Of_It_All]
    #995879 - 10/27/02 01:35 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Did you build your house? Your car? Your computer? Did you make your clothing? Probably not, so you don't deserve to live in it, drive it, use it, or fucking wear it 




Did i build MY house? no, did i ever build a house? YES, did i build MY car, no. can i fix things when they go wrong wiht it, YES, did i build my computer? YES. do i make my own clothes, Yes but not all of them :frown:.....

i dont expect everyone to shut off the power to their house and start makeing everything out of wood... but the state our country is in saddens me...
the new religon is consumerism, and we are paying dearly for it....
our youth is being poisoned, and so are we... spending our hard earned money on shit we dont need... im guilty of it myself.... but im aware of it.... i just wish more people were.... dont get me wrong there are TONS of amazing people out there who like to learn and share skills as much as i do.... but not in  mainstream culture....
ask any forginer what their view of american culture is, then spend some time in their country... you will see that more often than not, the stereotype is right...
i love this country, but its got so many glareing faults.... which is ok, every country does.. but the sad thing is, americans are too stupid and proud to even reckoginize their faults...

bah, end rant.

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #996170 - 10/27/02 04:11 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

you are obviously a very smart guy hyperdermic  :wink:


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #996418 - 10/27/02 10:42 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Reasons not to buy one

#1 customs may confiscate it

#2 the dea or some other entity may allow you to receive said grow kit wait a couple of weeks then get a search warrant and test the shrooms you have growing. Just to make an example out of you. I think the chances of this are slim

I bought a grow kit in the early 80's from florida it contained live mycelium it grew shrooms but nowadays no one in the us sales grow kits with mycelium already in it reason: "cause they are afraid"

If you go to www.fanaticus.com you can read how the f.b.i. grew mushrooms using the pf-tek. I beleive they tested some of the cakes and found some psilocybin in the cakes before shroom production.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: zeta]
    #996438 - 10/27/02 10:54 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Nah, im just awake....

Smart, dumb, fat, skinny, woman, man, rich, poor... these are the cards we are dealt..... how you play them is whats important.... anything is possible...

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: ]
    #997006 - 10/27/02 04:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"I mean, go to LA and ask about something that, say, only they would have. Theyll laugh their asses off at you." What does this statement mean? As for Americans being lazy, sure but why shouldn't they be if they can get away with it. About Americans not having culture, well considering this country is made up primarily of immigrants (whether it be from colonial times or recently), you can blame the countries that they came from. I disagree with the government on many things, think that Bush is a complete fool, and yes I think that our country does have an "I'm better than the everyone else attitude", but this county also does many great things around the world. Hey remember WWII, if it wasn't for us, you'd be speaking german right now, and if you are Jewish, gay, or anything other than Arian, you'd probably be dead. So have fun with that one.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: ]
    #997010 - 10/27/02 04:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I've read about the FBI research, but they showed absolutely no psilocin or psilocybin in any of their cakes until after several days of them being completely colonized and the beginings of hyphal knots. So even 3/4 way colonized would be safe.


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: ]
    #997115 - 10/27/02 04:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I as a proud American am insulted by your anti-American stance.

You say America has never been ravaged by war: We gained our independence from Great Briton by having a war on our soil. We forged our country into its size by war on our soil with Spain, France, Mexico. We fought amongst ourselves in the American Civil war. All on our soil, house to house, street by street, city by city..

Overseas we fought WW 1, WW 2, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, the Gulf War, the Bosnia conflict, the Afghan conflict. Not to mention, the Cold War with the USSR.

If it were not for America, most of Europe would now be under goose stepping Nazi control, most of Asia under samurai sword swinging Japanese control, most of South America under control of tyrants & dictators. If it was not for our Cold War against the USSR. Germany would not now be united. Soviets would be threatening Europe. Ever heard of the American "Marshal plan"? It was America that rebuilt much of Europes infrastructure & all of Japans after WW 2, under it, paid for by Americans.

You say : America has "no culture, extremely ignorant and pretentious; a simple product of extreme isolation; weak in almost every respect"

"no culture"; American culture is pervasive world wide.

"extremely ignorant and pretentious"; Look to the Space shuttle, the Hubble telescope, the American Peace Corps. Then say we are that.

"a simple product of extreme isolation"; If we were an isolationist country? Europe would be under a Nazi thumb, Asia under a Japanese thumb, Near & Far East oil producing countries under the thumb of Iraq.

"weak in almost every respect";

My grandfather fought in WW1, my father in WW2, my uncles in Korea, myself in Vietnam, my sons in Gulf War, Bosnia & Afghan conflicts.

Speak for yourself. My handle here is SixTango. That was my combat aircraft call sign. I was pilot, shot down, captured & escaped, to fight on.

Proud to be American. Love it or leave it.

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    #997325 - 10/27/02 06:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: ]
    #997433 - 10/27/02 07:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Love it, defend it or leave it. You are living in America ( I know because I sent you a free print, when you asked for one). You enjoy all the freedom & benifits America has to offer, then talk Anti/American shit about our country. Shame on you.

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #997453 - 10/27/02 07:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

What really is the point in being anti American? If you don't like our way of life no one says you gotta be a sheep and follow it. personally I love my country and yes I have been to others and no I didn't see anything wrong with them, but I love the rights I have and while we are far from perfect but  things are far from bad here. The think I want to know is what this has to do with mushroom growing. Why is someone so scornful that they need to bring being American into something like buying a grow kit?? "go do the PF tek" well the PF tek WAS the lazy way a few years ago when they were putting their articles in the back of high times so people that didn't have a full lab could grow shrooms. Now I personally like growing from close to scratch but methods are going to progress and things will be done different by different people. Now saying someone dose not have the right to eat mushrooms because they didn't put effort into growing them.... hum. Let me ask this who here grew mushrooms before they ever took them ??? and I am far from religious but I love the one particular line "let he that is without sin cast the first stone" not quite the same thing but falls into the whole what right do you have to say that your way is the right way for everyone? I think that's what dude was talking about when he asked did you make your own car, build your own house, and make your own cloths. Anyhow this is just my opinion I could be wrong. But their is a long going thread for anti American over in the Political discussion forum if you would like to blow off some steam.   


P.S sorry about the brick I am writing from work :smile:


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: ]
    #997641 - 10/27/02 08:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hey no need to apologies to me I am not a moderator :wink: besides everyone is entitled to their opinions and I was more bothered by the post that tried to turn this into an anti American thread. I will normally stay out of opinion based arguments but when someone wants to act high and mighty and state that someone that dose not do it their way is inherently wrong I feel ignorance radiating from the computer screen and feel compelled to reply after all if there was only one way to do things this place wouldnt even be here. Before anyone gets offended I am just stating my opinion. 


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: SixTango]
    #997739 - 10/27/02 09:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

65 dollars for a kit and one that is GUARANTEED or money back is a wonderful idea. Growing them from scratch and buying a kit where the mycellium is already spawned for you is a CHOICE. No one is BETTER than another for growing from scratch. Some people love watching the mushroom plant growand helping it grow and giving it life. But others have arrangements where they cannot go through the steps from scratch because they are limited in there housing resources and quite possibly live with others who dont condone mushroom growing. For them, a Kit is a wonderful alternative. 65 dollars is basically paying 2 dollars per gram. I wouldnt mind paying 14 dollars for a quarter of beautiful mushrooms that you watched and helped give life to. Its not all done for you, you still must care for them, give them light, water them, make sure the temperature is right and get very excited when they form into beautiful mature mushrooms. I just want everyone to realize that no matter how you do it, kit or from scratch that mushrooms are a sacrament that we should all be able to enjoy and learn from. I've heard too many people jump on the bandwagon and claim how expensive they are...Give me a fucking break, would you rather have them be 20 dollars? And contrary to what most people beleive, 65 dollars in many ways is CHEAPER THAN THE PF TEK...Think about it...Vermiculite, trays, jars, pressure cooker, spore syringe, filters, bag of rubberbands, terrarium setup, aquarium heater, brown rice flour etc etc I think it ends up being about the same cost. I do agree though that some heads should certainly try a casing tek or a simple PF tek to learn about the growth process so they could cultivate much more and have a more rewarding experience in the future...But having tried this and learned and been successful, if they choose to get a kit for whatever reason then may god bless them and more power to them...Unless of course they go with a shitty over priced company that has a poor tek and they lose all there cash. I have researched long hours on almost every company that sells kits...I have found just one or two that are cheap, nearly 100 percent contam free (you can never be 100 percent though) are legal and yield an ounce or more...Going with these 1 or two companies instead of the other hundreds of rip offs is a sound, well thought out idea...But if your planning on buying a kit that yields less than an ounce and is priced 100 dollars or more then I totally agree that doing so would be a bit too lazy and a poor choice altogether....Thanks guys for making this a cool thread, hope I didnt make any enemies, your all good peeps with very sound ideas! Your friend, Apexx


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #998404 - 10/27/02 11:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

For those who want to give "bulk" a try.

There is a prize package of a working PC that will hold 7 quart jars, 7 plastic lids (predrilled), filter material, new syringes & 2 spore prints over in the contest forum, the raccoon but on.

He thought that was the "American" thing to do,  :smile: because he had that stuff extra.

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Apexx]
    #999325 - 10/28/02 08:37 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Very well put Apexx....
i now see that you are a geuine person...
best of luck with the grow kit....

as for the america topic... hehehhe my work is done here.....
america, yes i love it, but i also reckogize its faults....
i wish to improve upon them.. one person at a time... namely myself...
when i speak of lazy americans, i only wish to change one... myself.. if others wish to follow suit... then more power to em....
i wish i could change the world.. but the only thing i have real power over is myself... and i wouldnt have it any other way....

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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: SixTango]
    #999395 - 10/28/02 09:41 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

SixTango, Thank you for your service to our great country. I am just one of many who appreciate your sacrifice, and that of many others, to defend the freedom that I enjoy. This country aint perfect, but it damn sure beats any other alternative that I can think of.
Now if we could only end this silly war on drugs. :mad:

 


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: SixTango]
    #999931 - 10/28/02 02:19 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

Let me ask this who here grew mushrooms before they ever took them ???




I did. The first shrooms I ever took were the Thai KS (T3) that I grew myself. I couldn't see spending $50 on a quarter oz. when I could build a setup to grow much more than that for the same price. Of course, I'm a "hands on" type of person. I always have been. I get it from my dad.

As for grow kits, I think it would just be safer to amass the supplies and make your own casing than to try to slip that by customs, but hey, do what you want....


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Re: Grow kits from Netherlands, Legal or not? [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #999973 - 10/28/02 02:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No need to thank me. It was my "duty" & I am proud that I could be of service to my home/heart/land. I'm only afraid, that many in the younger generations feel no such "duty" to serve their country. That, to me is a sad thing.

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