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Re: The concept of "time" while in space? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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Time appears infinite, as does the growth of the universe through time's progression, or maybe not reacted upon but one in the same, space time continuum. The universe was nothing at the beginning of time we can say and was almost built out of it, we experience the growth similarly in our lives, and in cultural worldviews...

But what does it mean when our personal and cultural view of the world catches up, joining the universe on the cutting edge...

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Re: The concept of "time" while in space? [Re: Islandminded]
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I think the OP is asking about the effects of time while in space.

I can't remember the details, but from what I gather, it's a lot like that movie the navigator...


where if you travel far enough in space, and come back, 20 years will have passed on earth while you've only experienced 5.  (Those numbers are just random for example's sake and not accurate whatsoever)



I need to look into this more, it's absolutely fascinating and I've forgotten the info, but apparently (from what I've heard/read), science has proven it somehow, but :shrug: i'm not too sure




but if it IS true, here is a thought I've entertained before (can't remember this too well either):  Being that there is ultimately no difference between anything, and if space DOES have this sort of relationship to time...  then what if every star out there (for example, but I guess it could be any location) is the center/beginning of the universe, just at a different time? What I mean is, maybe something zillions of miles away is actually the very same thing as right here, just at a different time. :crazy2:  ahhh fuck I wish I could remember this idea better, to explain it better, but it was just a thought anyway.
But it still could be possible and that would be extremely :awetrippie:


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Re: The concept of "time" while in space? [Re: Islandminded]
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time slows down when ur in space.  Astronauts, i believe, go into space and are gone for a few days, but more days have gone by on earth.

Look at planet of the apes.  The man travels into earths future because he was traveling thru space.  By the time he got back to earth, so many years have gone by.

However, im sure there is more to it, more secrets to the universe than what we currently know.  Who will be the next Einstein?  Perhaps aliens dont have this problem traveling thru space.  Space and the sky in general is very cool.  Looking up is one of my most favorite things to do

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time and space are one in the same

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losfreddy said:
time and space are one in the same


everythang is one and the same



:1up:ed    :whatwhat:


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losfreddy said:
time slows down when ur in space.  Astronauts, i believe, go into space and are gone for a few days, but more days have gone by on earth.

Look at planet of the apes.  The man travels into earths future because he was traveling thru space.  By the time he got back to earth, so many years have gone by.

However, im sure there is more to it, more secrets to the universe than what we currently know.  Who will be the next Einstein?  Perhaps aliens dont have this problem traveling thru space.  Space and the sky in general is very cool.  Looking up is one of my most favorite things to do


this is true according to relativity as you approach the speed of light. it doesn't happen in such drastic numbers with our astronauts (really, you think they lose a few days going up in the shuttle? :lol: )

it is postulated that there is a slight shift in time in space for astronauts in low earth orbit because they are moving away from earth's gravitational field. this is in the process of being tested right now. here's a good article:

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3075/atomic-space-clock-answer-big-physics-questions

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The Atomic Clock Ensemble in Space (ACES) is a European Space Agency (ESA) mission that will test fundamental laws of physics by matching atomic clocks orbiting under microgravity conditions with similar clocks on Earth.

One such test is of gravitational redshift known as the 'Einstein Effect'. According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, time should slow and the wavelengths of signals received by the ACES clocks should shift towards the red end of the spectrum due to gravitational effects.


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Time slows down the FASTER you move through space.

Time is relative to the frame of reference.

The faster a frame of reference is moving compared to a static frame, the slower time appears to tick.


Its not necessarily just being in space, its all relative to what you doing IN that space.

If your traveling at or near the speed of light, time and reality will be normal for you.

Its observers OUTSIDE of your moving frame that will see your time as slower than theirs.




Time is relative, and by nature indefinite. There is no 'correct' time, since space itself is expanding. In theory...


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Time for you while just hanging around in space will tick as normal, though your conscious understanding of reality, and the passage of time is open to conjecture.

Who is to say how much time has or has not passed while idle in open space?


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What whould be different there? There are two ways to understand time: past-present-future and before-after. So you can think that "I've done that, now I'm doing this and next I'll do that" or "thing A happened before thing B".

These morning or January or 2 o'clock are just some ways to talk about time but they don't have anything to do with the basic concept of time (or any of those two concepts).


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I don't understand this at all.

A second is a second. How is this different anywhere else. Am I missing something?


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What whould be different there? There are two ways to understand time: past-present-future and before-after. So you can think that "I've done that, now I'm doing this and next I'll do that" or "thing A happened before thing B".



:orly:

Do you really know for sure that thang A happened before thang B?






dr_gonz said:
why do humans take time so cereal-uosly with the punching of time clocks and such :shoosh: :smirk:


time = money?  :seriousbusiness:


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Jimtown said:
I don't understand this at all.

A second is a second. How is this different anywhere else. Am I missing something?


A second is not a second.  A second depends entirely on your frame of reference.  You've never heard how time changes at different speeds from relativity?  Check out a documentary on it, its dope shit.

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I like thinking about the relativity between segments of time in space, as experienced using the senses. For instance, music or marble machines.

A marble rolling down a hill for X seconds (or a note being played for X seconds, sound rolling) is compared against the thing that came before it and notably the thing that came after it. So if a Marble rolling down a Ramp for 5 seconds seems like a long time compared to a hammer swinging before and after it (about .3 seconds), 5 seconds can seem like a short time when juxtaposed against event's that takes 10 seconds to resolve. Compare this to a melody, where the relationship between the length of notes, and positioning (sonic depth=frequencies) results in the landscape one can compose A drone (or one note playing continuously, or a marble rolling down a ramp at the same speed infinitely) can be seen as = to silence, in this context.

Is the mind naturally sensitive to relationships? Is a new interpretation of time needed to travel it better? Are WE the note being played, the marble being rolled, and the only reason we exist is there seems to be a relationship with what came before and after? Pressing Issues, but I got some laundry to iron. This was the second time I made this joke. Cycles?

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No I dont think that is right.  Its a common mistake to think that the twins paradox and time dilation in general is a consequence of light's finite speed and the lag of information you get from it.  That is not the case.  Time dilation is a real effect, it is not just information lag.  Also remember that to the person in the space ship the light that bounced off of the twin is still traveling at the speed of light away from them.  Light never travels along side of you, it always moves at the speed of light no matter how fast your ship is going.  That is the key postulate of relativity from which all the crazy effects are derived.

Maybe I didnt understand what you typed fully.

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Time dilation takes information lag into account.


I was saying if you were traveling the speed of light (or very, very close to it), then would you not be traveling at the same speed (or very close to the same speed) as that beam that bounced off of your friend?

Nope.  Light always travels at the speed of light, no matter how fast you are going.  For example, say here on earth I shoot a beam of light and observe it traveling away at the speed of light.  I also observe you traveling away at near the speed of light.  So I see the light just barely beating you in a race.  You on the space shit sees a different thing.  You see the light zooming ahead of you at the speed of light!  From your perspective the light is traveling at its full speed.  That is one of the two postulates of relativity - no matter how fast you go and no matter what direction you travel in, you always observe light traveling at the same speed.

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