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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: MOTH]
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MOTH said:
I have this hope that as things get monstrously worse, people will realize a real need to go the other direction.



It's a blind hope imo. Things have been "monstrously worse" for along time now.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
MOTH said:
I have this hope that as things get monstrously worse, people will realize a real need to go the other direction.



It's a blind hope imo. Things have been "monstrously worse" for along time now.


They could definitely still get worse.  I hope they don't, but as you have alluded to, things just keep plugging along in a dangerous direction and people seem to keep ignoring that we need to radically alter how we interact with our planet. 

I have this feeling that our species will die out if we don't change.  Do you get that feeling?  But it may take very extraordinary circumstances to trigger such a shift.  Like we might be forced to evolve due to a great cataclysm.

I don't wish this on us.  But I'm prepared for it to be that way because that could be what opens the door to true change. 

As it is, I remain optimistic, because at least from my perspective it seems like more and more people are becoming more conscious and more in tune every day.

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: MOTH]
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I'd bet my last penny on extinction. That's part of the evolutionary process whether we are the direct cause of it or not. But I do think we will be involved.

Humans only "wake up" until the pressure is off and then go back to their old ways. Has always been thus.

My advice is live like it's going to end soon.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Icelander]
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The french intensive method seems to limit itself to growing herbs and vegetables, though, the philosophy behind it certainly extends beyond that. At least in the north Texas climate vegetables are quickly replaced by shrubs and trees in the stacking order of ecological succession. It requires work and effort on my part to prevent land from reverting to a forested state. A more permanent solution would be the food forest previously mentioned. With tree crops you will be getting plenty of fruits and nuts and less vegetables.

To say extinction is inevitable seems to establish a strict definition of the procession of life that runs counter to observation. To me, the world appears too cyclical to strap beginnings and ends onto things, no matter how convenient it may be for my mind. While things have been getting progressively 'worse' over history, I do feel as though we are coming to some sort of culmination. As though up until now we as a species have been flying blind and are getting ready to consciously take the reigns.

I always find it futile to talk about diet with others simply because humans are not static and unchanging, there is great diversity among us and the environments we live in. All I can say is that if doing less work over time brings me tree crops, then that seems the logical path to take. If I am unable to survive on such a diet then there is work to be done.
This all excludes the wonder and beauty of a forest.
I think people have been looking for a way back into the arms of nature for a while and permaculture give them a nice packaged way to do it.

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Tuski]
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From those early days with the French Intensive I watched the Permaculture movement emerge. Now they have gone far beyond as would be expected.

Anyway I would love to eat off the trees. I do it in my little town by walking my dog early in the mornings before light and identifying all the fruit and nut trees that people are not harvesting themselves and grabbing it up. Works pretty good although I occasionally get yelled at.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Icelander]
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I recieved an email from the manager of Pangaia stating the owner may be selling the land, which is very sad to hear. I am looking at other permaculture communities down there, but Pangaia seemed very ideal with my idea on things.

I love the idea of being in a Hawaiian tropical paradise, surrounded by an abundance of life and fruit trees, living in a peaceful flow with nature. The bliss feeling you can sustain from raw living foods, in combination with exersise in the mind --meditation-- and in the body, and developing personal relationships with both the Earth and fellow persons, helps create a paradise.


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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: roboto212]
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This is how I look at it from a scientific standpoint:


When you eat only raw foods, your body thrives on a chemical level. When your body is in perfect homeostasis, you actually have an abundance of serotonin, dopamine, and endorphins. These are all the neurotransmitters that are related to pleasure, bliss, and ecstasy.

When your body is already thriving from raw foods, exercise, meditation, sex, yoga, raw cannabis, raw magic mushrooms, they all compound on top of the raw diet. Exercise, through stressing the muscles in your body, you evoke a stress reaction, which is to lower cortisol (stress hormone) and increase the level of endorphins in the body[http://hubpages.com/hub/ExerciseandTheEndorphinRush].  Exercise on raw foods feels blissful, warm, soothing, like an opiate of any kind, except this is your bodies own morphine.

When you meditate on raw foods, you release even more endorphins, as well as, calming the mind which affects every aspect of health. You will live a more blissful, mindful, fully aware life by exercising the mind in this manner. [http://library.thinkquest.org/24206/meditation-therapy.html]


When you have sex, you release a multitude of hormones that influence the body in miraculous ways, and you also release massive amounts of endorphins, but also in the form of energy. On raw foods, when you orgasm, you energize the body, and you add to the ecstatic bliss that results from the endorphins. Do you ever get tired after masturbation, or achieving orgasm during sex? That may be a result of cooked foods, and eating living foods will energize you after sex.

Raw cannabis is the most perfect food on the planet. If you take the time to research each part of the plants anatomy, you understand that it contains every mineral, vitamin, protein, amino acid, micro nutrient the body needs to survive. It places your body into a perfect alkaline state, in which your immune system and body thrive. Eating cooked foods results in acidic state, you become sick. When you eat the flowers of the cannabis plant, along with the green leaves and seeds of a pregnant plant, you are eating the most wholesome source of nutrition on the planet. When you reside in acidic state, the flowers will taste peppery, spicey, hash-like. When you reside in an alkaline state, the flowers taste super sweet, citrus, berry, bountiful fresh flavors that come from the terpenoids in the trichome heads.  Cannabis allows you to live forever in a perfect ecstatic bliss state, if you allow it.


Raw psilocybe mushrooms are very thereapeutic, the same as THC in raw cannabis. You cannot understand the afterglow effect that results from mushrooms unless you experience mushrooms on raw foods. When your body is in homeostasis, the mushrooms "sync" with YOU. You can have the most incredibly beautiful, euphoric, ecstatic experiences when you eat raw magic mushrooms on top of your raw lifestyle. Not only are the trips very blissful and spiritual, but the afterglow that results from a mushroom trip is longer. The mushroom bliss resonates with you for weeks or even months, giving you a sense of clarity on top of the clarity you achieve from meditation, exercise, and raw foods.


All of these natural things compound onto something that is broken down from the standard american way of life. It is my belief that if we simply "returned" to a more balance, natural way of life, that we ,as a species, would be more happy


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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: roboto212]
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I doubt nature would bear out your "scientific" viewpoint. Take the ape for instance. They are basically raw vegetarian. They fight they kill they basically do all that animals do to survive. If you really study them at all you will see that it's not as nearly perfect as we would like it to be. It's all very easy if you can tuck yourself away with others and groove on some chill vibes but from living on communes I know that sooner or later it turns into ego trips and all the other shit us primates seem to go through. There is no garden of Eden.

Still, I think it's a pretty good diet.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: roboto212]
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roboto212 said:
This is how I look at it from a scientific standpoint:


When you eat only raw foods, your body thrives on a chemical level. When your body is in perfect homeostasis, you actually have an abundance of serotonin, dopamine, and endorphins. These are all the neurotransmitters that are related to pleasure, bliss, and ecstasy.

When your body is already thriving from raw foods, exercise, meditation, sex, yoga, raw cannabis, raw magic mushrooms, they all compound on top of the raw diet. Exercise, through stressing the muscles in your body, you evoke a stress reaction, which is to lower cortisol (stress hormone) and increase the level of endorphins in the body[http://hubpages.com/hub/ExerciseandTheEndorphinRush].  Exercise on raw foods feels blissful, warm, soothing, like an opiate of any kind, except this is your bodies own morphine.

When you meditate on raw foods, you release even more endorphins, as well as, calming the mind which affects every aspect of health. You will live a more blissful, mindful, fully aware life by exercising the mind in this manner. [http://library.thinkquest.org/24206/meditation-therapy.html]


When you have sex, you release a multitude of hormones that influence the body in miraculous ways, and you also release massive amounts of endorphins, but also in the form of energy. On raw foods, when you orgasm, you energize the body, and you add to the ecstatic bliss that results from the endorphins. Do you ever get tired after masturbation, or achieving orgasm during sex? That may be a result of cooked foods, and eating living foods will energize you after sex.

Raw cannabis is the most perfect food on the planet. If you take the time to research each part of the plants anatomy, you understand that it contains every mineral, vitamin, protein, amino acid, micro nutrient the body needs to survive. It places your body into a perfect alkaline state, in which your immune system and body thrive. Eating cooked foods results in acidic state, you become sick. When you eat the flowers of the cannabis plant, along with the green leaves and seeds of a pregnant plant, you are eating the most wholesome source of nutrition on the planet. When you reside in acidic state, the flowers will taste peppery, spicey, hash-like. When you reside in an alkaline state, the flowers taste super sweet, citrus, berry, bountiful fresh flavors that come from the terpenoids in the trichome heads.  Cannabis allows you to live forever in a perfect ecstatic bliss state, if you allow it.


Raw psilocybe mushrooms are very thereapeutic, the same as THC in raw cannabis. You cannot understand the afterglow effect that results from mushrooms unless you experience mushrooms on raw foods. When your body is in homeostasis, the mushrooms "sync" with YOU. You can have the most incredibly beautiful, euphoric, ecstatic experiences when you eat raw magic mushrooms on top of your raw lifestyle. Not only are the trips very blissful and spiritual, but the afterglow that results from a mushroom trip is longer. The mushroom bliss resonates with you for weeks or even months, giving you a sense of clarity on top of the clarity you achieve from meditation, exercise, and raw foods.


All of these natural things compound onto something that is broken down from the standard american way of life. It is my belief that if we simply "returned" to a more balance, natural way of life, that we ,as a species, would be more happy


Raw foods must really increase one's self importance....lol.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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And you have less? I think not. Everyone is filled to the brim.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
roboto212 said:
This is how I look at it from a scientific standpoint:


When you eat only raw foods, your body thrives on a chemical level. When your body is in perfect homeostasis, you actually have an abundance of serotonin, dopamine, and endorphins. These are all the neurotransmitters that are related to pleasure, bliss, and ecstasy.

When your body is already thriving from raw foods, exercise, meditation, sex, yoga, raw cannabis, raw magic mushrooms, they all compound on top of the raw diet. Exercise, through stressing the muscles in your body, you evoke a stress reaction, which is to lower cortisol (stress hormone) and increase the level of endorphins in the body[http://hubpages.com/hub/ExerciseandTheEndorphinRush].  Exercise on raw foods feels blissful, warm, soothing, like an opiate of any kind, except this is your bodies own morphine.

When you meditate on raw foods, you release even more endorphins, as well as, calming the mind which affects every aspect of health. You will live a more blissful, mindful, fully aware life by exercising the mind in this manner. [http://library.thinkquest.org/24206/meditation-therapy.html]


When you have sex, you release a multitude of hormones that influence the body in miraculous ways, and you also release massive amounts of endorphins, but also in the form of energy. On raw foods, when you orgasm, you energize the body, and you add to the ecstatic bliss that results from the endorphins. Do you ever get tired after masturbation, or achieving orgasm during sex? That may be a result of cooked foods, and eating living foods will energize you after sex.

Raw cannabis is the most perfect food on the planet. If you take the time to research each part of the plants anatomy, you understand that it contains every mineral, vitamin, protein, amino acid, micro nutrient the body needs to survive. It places your body into a perfect alkaline state, in which your immune system and body thrive. Eating cooked foods results in acidic state, you become sick. When you eat the flowers of the cannabis plant, along with the green leaves and seeds of a pregnant plant, you are eating the most wholesome source of nutrition on the planet. When you reside in acidic state, the flowers will taste peppery, spicey, hash-like. When you reside in an alkaline state, the flowers taste super sweet, citrus, berry, bountiful fresh flavors that come from the terpenoids in the trichome heads.  Cannabis allows you to live forever in a perfect ecstatic bliss state, if you allow it.


Raw psilocybe mushrooms are very thereapeutic, the same as THC in raw cannabis. You cannot understand the afterglow effect that results from mushrooms unless you experience mushrooms on raw foods. When your body is in homeostasis, the mushrooms "sync" with YOU. You can have the most incredibly beautiful, euphoric, ecstatic experiences when you eat raw magic mushrooms on top of your raw lifestyle. Not only are the trips very blissful and spiritual, but the afterglow that results from a mushroom trip is longer. The mushroom bliss resonates with you for weeks or even months, giving you a sense of clarity on top of the clarity you achieve from meditation, exercise, and raw foods.


All of these natural things compound onto something that is broken down from the standard american way of life. It is my belief that if we simply "returned" to a more balance, natural way of life, that we ,as a species, would be more happy


Raw foods must really increase one's self importance....lol.


Im not sure how you derived 'self importance' from that?
I agree that raw before tripping, having sex, or consuming cannabis enhances it.

I just don't get how someone could stomach eating cannabis flowers, whenever i make cannabutter, if i don't strain out all the plant material ill be burping all night long, or even if i eat hemp protein with alkaline foods, i get serious gas. If i have it with a fruit smoothie or with some rice its fine.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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The raw foods propaganda is a scam to sell books and a non-existent lifestyle...and it is not promoting health. Some foods are more healthy raw...some are more healthy cooked...it is a mixed bag. Being healthy can promote a good attitude, but eating raw is not going to lead to automatic spiritual enlightenment and harmony. My comment on self importance was a reflection on that fact. Any diet that puts a stamp of evil on certain nutrients and preferences others is not balanced in any way. This includes every commercial diet in existence. They are created to sell books and in some cases supplements. Humans are mostly adapted to eat what is available, but in all cultures a variety of foods are ingested. There also have been no raw, vegan or even vegetarian native cultures to have existed on the planet which removes credence to the fact that these types of diets are natural.

Chronically consuming drugs...raw or otherwise is very unhealthy.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
And you have less? I think not. Everyone is filled to the brim.


That is correct Icelander. I have my share and this is no doubt. I am also very aware of it. I don't think I have ever said otherwise...lol.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Some foods are more healthy raw...some are more healthy cooked...it is a mixed bag.


I agree with that, my stomach tells me tomatoes are better cooked
I suppose anyone who exercises is self important to some extent


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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Chronic7]
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Well I have attained a number of athletic abilities that would be near impossible if I focused on raw foods alone. Raw fruits and vegetables while very healthy contain little protein. Raw meats would be an option, but this is expensive and carries a bit of risk of parasites and bacteria. Don't think I am promoting protein at the expense of the other macronutrients...I am not...but the amount of protein necessary to maintain a sufficiently large amount of muscle mass to maintain all around good strength and endurance would be difficult to economically consume using only raw fruits, vegetables, and even nuts. As far as carbs and fat go raw fruits, vegetables, and nuts are the most healthy sources even though this does leave out legumes which are often cooked.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I agree that balance is where it's at. I've looked at these raw food sites. A lot of their "science" is nothing more than hearsay and wishful thinking. But again I do feel that eating the majority of the diet raw is healthy and going on a raw diet for short periods of cleansing or during treatment of illness can be beneficial. But really that's just my opinion and might be full of shit. As I said the more time I spent in the natural foods industry the more confused and then suspicious I became. A lot of scam and or wishful thinking is going on imo.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Icelander]
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I did an experiment about a year back. I ate only raw food for a week using a calorie program to keep track of macronutrient ratios and calories. I think that a 33/33/33 balance of carbs, fat, and protein is a fairly realistic and healthy diet according to all I have read. I tried to maintain this balance and noticed that my calorie intake was much higher than before...but I was also hungry more which is subjective of course. I did not lose any weight, but gained a little that week. I had intended to go a month with this, but only did one week because I did not want to gain. I was eating lots of nuts to get the protein required for that balance. Many raw vegans stick with fruits and vegetables with little protein, and get very skinny. If you ignore any macronutrient this happens..low fat, low carb, and low protein diets will all do this. In the long term this creates deficiencies in ones nutrients. Now I could get by with 10% protein and be fairly healthy, but my days of hoisting 90lb kettlebells, doing 30+ mile bike rides, and difficult hikes high in the mountains would be at an end.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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i am sure someone could prove me wrong.  but most of the raw foodists i've seen on tv and stuff seem severely malnourished and kinda look like tweakers.

MOTH seems to have a good thing going though!


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Re: Peace, Love Happiness + Living Foods [Re: yogabunny]
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yogabunny said:
MOTH seems to have a good thing going though!



I sure do.  :smile:  This way of life has been working well for me for 2+ years, and just keeps getting better.

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