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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: themostpurple]
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The Romans kept slaves. All the hard work all over the empire was mostly done by slaves. They worked the farms, they cleaned the sewers, they were the servants in the wealthy houses. They belonged to their owners as though they were animals. Just like animals they could be bought and sold, punished and whipped by their masters.

When the Romans went to the circus to watch the games, it was to view a brutal spectacle. Chariot racing was perhaps the least murderous event - although many drivers were hurt in spectacular crashes. But for more gruesome entertainment the Romans watched wild beasts tear each other apart, or gladiators fighting exotic beasts from far away countries, or gladiators fighting each other to the death.

Also, some of their emperors were maniacs. The most famous was Nero (see Famous Romans) but there were many others. Sometimes even the good emperors needed first to be utterly brutal in order to take power. Brutality was often the order of the day. More so of course, when mad or just particularly cruel emperors came to power.
Mad emperor Caligula ordered his legions to collect shells on the beach in order to prove that he had "conquered the sea". Nero killed his mother and his wife. And the cruel emperor Septimius Severus had the body of his dead opponent Clodius Albinus laid out before him, so that he could ride over it with his horse.
These are just some examples of Roman madness and Roman cruelty by its own emperors.

If an emperor wanted rid of a particular senator, he would simply write him a letter, ordering him to kill himself (or else he would send someone round to kill him). Emperor Nero ordered a great many such suicides.
The dictator Sulla during the time of the Roman republic invented the "proscription", by which he would just announce whom he wanted dead. This would be read out in public places and he then would reward anyone who would kill that particular person.

Rome was brutal in its enforcement of its religious views. Several wars were fought with the Jews in order to try and get them to accept the worship of the deceased Roman emperors as gods. The fighting was so fierce, the great city of Jerusalem was destroyed, and with it the ancient temple of Solomon was razed. Most famously, the Christians were thrown to the lions by emperor Nero who blamed them for the Great Fire of Rome.
Later, after the empire had been christianized, the believers in the old Roman gods were equally persecuted by the Christian emperors.
And so too the various heresies (misteachings of Christianity) were persecuted violently by Roman rulers.

wow glorious :rofl2:

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Life Upon Death]
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should we start a list of the various maniac and brutal christians?

i'll take augustus over an x-stain fundamentalist any day


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Taco Chef]
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there are many who use the Christian name but are not truly Christian

even the scriptures themselves are clear about this

comparing a belief system with an empire is pretty silly

the Roman Empire was built upon violent principles

this is not the case with Christianity even if some who use the name are violent

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Taco Chef]
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jesus is the man.

romans couldnt hang.

so they started cutting their penises too.


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Crucifixion was in use particularly among the Persians, Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD, when in the year 337 Emperor Constantine I abolished it in his empire, out of veneration for Jesus Christ, the most famous victim of crucifixion.[2][3] It was also used as a form of execution in Japan, of both criminals and Christians.

Crucifixion was almost never performed for ritual or symbolic reasons outside of Christianity, but usually to provide a death that was particularly slow, painful (hence the term excruciating, literally "out of crucifying"), gruesome (hence dissuading against the crimes punishable by it) and public, using whatever means were most expedient for that goal. Crucifixion methods varied considerably with location and time period.

The Greek and Latin words corresponding to "crucifixion" applied to many different forms of painful execution, from impaling on a stake to affixing to a tree, to an upright pole (a crux simplex) or to a combination of an upright (in Latin, stipes) and a crossbeam (in Latin, patibulum).[5]

If a crossbeam was used, the condemned man was forced to carry it on his shoulders, which could have been torn open by flagellation, to the place of execution. A whole cross would weigh well over 300 pounds (135 kilograms), but the crossbeam would weigh only 75–125 pounds (35–60 kilograms).[6] The Roman historian Tacitus records that the city of Rome had a specific place for carrying out executions, situated outside the Esquiline Gate,[7] and had a specific area reserved for the execution of slaves by crucifixion.[8] Upright posts would presumably be fixed permanently in that place, and the crossbeam, with the condemned person perhaps already nailed to it, would then be attached to the post.

The person executed may have been attached to the cross by rope, though nails are mentioned in a passage by the Judean historian Josephus, where he states that at the Siege of Jerusalem (70), "the soldiers out of rage and hatred, nailed those they caught, one after one way, and another after another, to the crosses, by way of jest."[9] Objects used in the crucifixion of criminals, such as nails, were sought as amulets with perceived medicinal qualities.[10]

While a crucifixion was an execution, it was also a humiliation, by making the condemned as vulnerable as possible. Although artists have depicted the figure on a cross with a loin cloth or a covering of the genitals, criminals were generally hung nude.[citation needed] When the criminal had to urinate or defecate, they had to do so in the open, in view of passers-by, resulting in discomfort and the attraction of insects.

Frequently, the legs of the person executed were broken or shattered with an iron club, an act called crurifragium which was also frequently applied without crucifixion to slaves.[11] This act hastened the death of the person but was also meant to deter those who observed the crucifixion from committing offenses.[11]

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Life Upon Death said:
there are many who use the Christian name but are not truly Christian

even the scriptures themselves are clear about this

comparing a belief system with an empire is pretty silly

the Roman Empire was built upon violent principles

this is not the case with Christianity even if some who use the name are violent


:eatadick:

Christianity is based off the Old Testament, which is one of the most violent books in recorded history of any culture.

Your "not-really-Xians" cop out is also weak, I could make a blanket statement about Muslims never committing an act of violence using the exact same argument. It's almost as bad as the Ultimate Christian Cop Out: You just have to have faith.


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Life Upon Death]
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i see this in many of your posts; where do the footnotes come from/lead too?


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: uber_aj]
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life is violent ... what are ya gonna do?


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Taco Chef]
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novumorganum said:
i see this in many of your posts; where do the footnotes come from/lead too?


:facepalm:

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: pong]
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pong said:
life is violent ... what are ya gonna do?


not all life is violent

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Life Upon Death said:
pong said:
life is violent ... what are ya gonna do?


not all life is violent



what do you eat?

nothing?

is there anything that does not eat that does not get eaten?

live is a violent result of an even more violent universe.

please explain to me what life is not violent?

id like to know.


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: uber_aj]
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uber_aj said:
Life Upon Death said:
there are many who use the Christian name but are not truly Christian

even the scriptures themselves are clear about this

comparing a belief system with an empire is pretty silly

the Roman Empire was built upon violent principles

this is not the case with Christianity even if some who use the name are violent


:eatadick:

Christianity is based off the Old Testament, which is one of the most violent books in recorded history of any culture.

Your "not-really-Xians" cop out is also weak, I could make a blanket statement about Muslims never committing an act of violence using the exact same argument. It's almost as bad as the Ultimate Christian Cop Out: You just have to have faith.


your right

violence was the order of the day in certain cases to take out completely corrupted civilizations of man

you wouldn't be here if the limb hadn't been amputated

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: pong]
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pong said:
Life Upon Death said:
pong said:
life is violent ... what are ya gonna do?


not all life is violent



what do you eat?

nothing?

is there anything that does not eat that does not get eaten?

live is a violent result of an even more violent universe.

please explain to me what life is not violent?

id like to know.


eating plants is not violent

your reachin

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: z_x_x_z]
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dr_gonz said:
pong said:
life is violent ... what are ya gonna do?


post you tube vids :shrug:





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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Life Upon Death]
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eating fruits is not violent

eating vegetables is not violent

the plant wants you to eat it

Edited by Life Upon Death (11/28/09 07:12 PM)

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Life Upon Death said:
your right

violence was the order of the day in certain cases to take out completely corrupted civilizations of man

you wouldn't be here if the limb hadn't been amputated


Having read your myriads of conspiracy theory posts, I find it absurd that you believe the stories in the Bible about other civilizations. Ever read Deuteronomy? The Jews are without a doubt the most violent civilization in the Bible. Their pretense of morality is a thin veil.

History is fabricated written by the winners. Archeology has shown that many Biblical tales of foreign civilizations have been wildly over exaggerated.

I suppose violence was the order of the day during the Salem Witch Trials and the Inquisition too, huh? Oh wait, no those were probably fake Xians, right? :wink:


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Life Upon Death said:
eating plants is not violent

your reachin


what makes eating an animal more violent than eating a plant?

BTW did ancient greeks do shroomz?


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: uber_aj]
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uber_aj said:
Life Upon Death said:
your right

violence was the order of the day in certain cases to take out completely corrupted civilizations of man

you wouldn't be here if the limb hadn't been amputated


Having read your myriads of conspiracy theory posts, I find it absurd that you believe the stories in the Bible about other civilizations. Ever read Deuteronomy? The Jews are without a doubt the most violent civilization in the Bible. Their pretense of morality is a thin veil.

History is fabricated written by the winners. Archeology has shown that many Biblical tales of foreign civilizations have been wildly over exaggerated.

I suppose violence was the order of the day during the Salem Witch Trials and the Inquisition too, huh? Oh wait, no those were probably fake Xians, right? :wink:


BULLSHIT

archeology has proven the bible to be correct even where atheists said it was wrong beforehand

provide your evidence

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: pong]
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plants don't have a central nervous system ?


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