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greek/roman drug use
    #11541783 - 11/28/09 09:38 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11541794 - 11/28/09 09:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

South American Indians >>>> Greeks/Romans 2000 years ago.  The Indians did shrooms, cactus, peyote, smoked weed, DMT Vine, and who knows what else.


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11541798 - 11/28/09 09:40 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Drugs, Sex, Magic
Classical literature abounds with sorcerers, magicians, and witches. Translators rarely reveal that their power stemmed from their great expertise in drugs. Sorcerers were classical drug dealers and the effects of drugs were seen as magical in those times. Drugs and magic were one.
Medea, the wife of Jason the Argonaut, is frequently portrayed as a witch. She aided Jason by putting fire-breathing bulls asleep and giving him amazing courage. Hillman shows how translators mistranslate polypharmakon and pharmaka to present her as being skilled in the “magical arts” and a possessor of “charms.” Medea was actually “drug-savvy” and possessed “drugs.” She gave the bulls and Jason drugs, not spells.
Sorcerers were honored and respected members of society. They and the more run-of-the-mill drug sellers, “root cutters,” had to know how to extract desired chemicals from plants and animals. This was an exact science for the wrong amount or the wrong extraction could kill. For example, mandrake in minute doses could generate euphoria and stimulate libido, at low doses it was an anesthetic, and at regular doses it was lethal.
Symposia and Spiked Wine
The Greeks and Romans favored method of drug administration was to mix them with wine. This has allowed history teachers to present ancient revelers as merely drinkers – not “illegal drug” users. As the scholar, Dr. Carl A.P. Ruck has written:
Ancient wine, like the wine of most early peoples, did not contain alcohol as its sole inebrient but was ordinarily a variable infusion of herbal toxins in a vinous liquid. Unguents, spices, and herbs, all with recognized psychotropic properties, could be added to the wine. (pp. 176-177)

This gives an entirely different purview of the Greek symposia. At these “riotous drinking parties” great minds like Socrates and Plato debated and developed their theories on the great philosophical questions. Another clue tells even more. Altered states of consciousness were viewed as divinely provided madness. Plato wrote:
But he who without divine madness comes to the doors of the Muses, confident that he will be a good poet by art, meets with no success, and the poetry of the sane man vanishes into nothingness before that of the inspired madmen. (p. 177)

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D.C.A. Hillman, The Chemical Muse: Drug Use and the Roots of Western Civilization (2008).

http://suburra.com/blog/2009/11/16/classical-drug-use-greek-and-roman-drug-freedom/


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: starfire_xes]
    #11541833 - 11/28/09 09:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
South American Indians >>>> Greeks/Romans 2000 years ago.  The Indians did shrooms, cactus, peyote, smoked weed, DMT Vine, and who knows what else.




Thats what intruiges me most, I bet theres a ton of plants down there with psychoactive properties just waiting to be discovered. Maybe some more potent than DMT even


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Lucidx]
    #11541840 - 11/28/09 09:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Only one way to find out.
We must quest to find the perfect salad.


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: HappyTrippin]
    #11541866 - 11/28/09 09:53 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

a 16 page paper on the subject if you want a good read

http://www.janushead.org/7-1/Arata.pdf


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Dynoo]
    #11541895 - 11/28/09 09:59 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for the article!


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11541959 - 11/28/09 10:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

just imagine what human civilization might be if those stinky xtians didn't take down rome!!


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: TODAY]
    #11541994 - 11/28/09 10:17 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

a far better world than we have now.


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: TODAY]
    #11542015 - 11/28/09 10:21 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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TODAY said:
just imagine what human civilization might be if those stinky xtians didn't take down rome!!




all you can do is imagine cause the world would no longer exist had that been the case

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11542124 - 11/28/09 10:40 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Life Upon Death said:all you can do is imagine cause the world would no longer exist had that been the case



:confused:


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: bardleyrichard]
    #11542137 - 11/28/09 10:42 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Life Upon Death said:all you can do is imagine cause the world would no longer exist had that been the case



:confused:




lul


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: TODAY]
    #11542253 - 11/28/09 11:03 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

for the record

Rome merged with the Church and ended up infecting it with a lot of bullshit

when you can't beat em, join em

The reign of Constantine established a precedent for the position of the emperor in the Christian Church. Constantine himself disliked the risks to societal stability, that religious disputes and controversies brought with them, preferring where possible to establish an orthodoxy.[201] The emperor saw it as his duty to ensure that God was properly worshipped in his empire, and what proper worship consisted of was for the Church to determine.[202] In 316, Constantine acted as a judge in a North African dispute concerning the validity of Donatism. After deciding against the Donatists, Constantine led an army of Christians against the Donatist Christians. After 300 years of pacifism, this was the first intra-Christian persecution. More significantly, in 325 he summoned the Council of Nicaea, effectively the first Ecumenical Council (unless the Council of Jerusalem is so classified), Nicaea was to deal mostly with the heresy of Arianism. Constantine also enforced the prohibition of the First Council of Nicaea against celebrating Easter on the day before the Jewish Passover (14 Nisan) (see Quartodecimanism and Easter controversy).[203]

Constantine made new laws regarding the Jews. They were forbidden to own Christian slaves or to circumcise their slaves.

the Catholic Church is the product of Rome and the church merging

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11542354 - 11/28/09 11:24 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

for the record:

constatine was the emperor of the eastern roman empire, and many many many years from the glory of rome... christianity was sadly the final poison in that great and noble culture....

to call the roman catholic church a merging or rome and 'the church' merging is a gross over simplification and reduction of that historical process.


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11542431 - 11/28/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i don't believe anything people tell me about history unless they've got a primary source in their hands.


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    #11542477 - 11/28/09 11:50 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11542532 - 11/28/09 12:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

next time i see my dealer i'm going to call him a root-cutter.


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: HappyTrippin]
    #11543911 - 11/28/09 04:17 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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HappyTrippin said:
Only one way to find out.
We must quest to find the perfect salad.




:rotfl:


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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11543950 - 11/28/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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for the record:

constatine was the emperor of the eastern roman empire, and many many many years from the glory of rome... christianity was sadly the final poison in that great and noble culture....

to call the roman catholic church a merging or rome and 'the church' merging is a gross over simplification and reduction of that historical process.




the Romans were brutal dictators

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Re: greek/roman drug use [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11543959 - 11/28/09 04:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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novumorganum said:
next time i see my dealer i'm going to call him a root-cutter.



hehe, that would be a clever way


"oh i'll catch you guys later i need to get my remedy from the root cutter, hes got some DANK purple nugs"


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